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Stormdrake
post Jan 7 2008, 09:53 PM
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I have to ask why this trend towards street level games? Most of the players I have ever known want to play epic games, to be the hero that rises up, not some one who is trapped always on the bottom rung. The current incarnation seems bent on making every one play one style, street. Yes I know people here have posted ways to up the level, so to speak and i have come up with several on my own. Still the game itself as it is presented does not seem to lend itself to any other style of play rather than the previously mentioned street level. Hand in hand with this is the apparent removal of all meta plots. The exception to this is Emergence and that was really a hold over from 3rd edition. I really am not out to start an argument but am genuinely curious as to why this has happened. As we do have many of the free lance writers who developed the latest edition, here on Dump Shock I was hoping they mite shed a little light on this for me.
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- Stormdrake   Game level   Jan 7 2008, 09:53 PM
- - Whipstitch   ...To be fair, I've yet to run a pc by the nor...   Jan 7 2008, 10:01 PM
- - Eryk the Red   It's street level if the other jerks on the st...   Jan 7 2008, 10:04 PM
- - Stahlseele   the opinion in the industry seems to be that dark ...   Jan 7 2008, 10:09 PM
- - Whipstitch   Chrome is less of a pain in the ass than ever in t...   Jan 7 2008, 10:16 PM
- - Stahlseele   quoth the GM:"i don't friggin care what t...   Jan 7 2008, 10:19 PM
- - Whipstitch   Again though, what's that have to do with 4th ...   Jan 7 2008, 10:23 PM
- - knasser   Dark and morally dubious is in. Heroes are out. Ha...   Jan 7 2008, 10:50 PM
- - Ryu   Why street level? Because your chars are king of t...   Jan 7 2008, 11:09 PM
- - Riley37   Although not familiar with previous editions, I do...   Jan 7 2008, 11:59 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   I guess it nails down to how much you think runner...   Jan 8 2008, 12:06 AM
- - Ryu   I GM at the 20k¥+/run side of things. The streets...   Jan 8 2008, 12:20 AM
- - ElFenrir   I like to play and run in good middleground. 400 p...   Jan 8 2008, 04:53 AM
- - cx2   I agree there aren't many metaplot books, but ...   Jan 8 2008, 05:57 AM
- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Jan 7 2008, 11:53 PM) It d...   Jan 8 2008, 05:57 AM
- - Cain   The problem here is that SR4 suffers from a massiv...   Jan 8 2008, 07:03 AM
- - Glyph   I think the problem is that when the devs said ...   Jan 8 2008, 08:13 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Glyph) When it talks about build points, it...   Jan 8 2008, 09:21 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (knasser)I'd be fascinated to hear what ...   Jan 8 2008, 12:26 PM
- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jan 8 2008, 04:21...   Jan 8 2008, 01:29 PM
- - martindv   QUOTE (FrankTrollman)People are disillusioned with...   Jan 8 2008, 04:05 PM
- - DTFarstar   The gray hats also never promised we would feel cl...   Jan 8 2008, 04:13 PM
- - Ravor   Well in my opinion, Fourth Edition's Engine is...   Jan 8 2008, 04:40 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) I think it's a product o...   Jan 8 2008, 04:43 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (kzt)The Taliban were post USSR News to me...   Jan 8 2008, 04:57 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (kzt)The Taliban were post U...   Jan 8 2008, 05:05 PM
- - Whipstitch   Eh, let's not go too heavily into politics, sh...   Jan 8 2008, 05:31 PM
- - ShaunClinton   We play SR that always starts out street and ends ...   Jan 8 2008, 06:18 PM
- - TheOneRonin   QUOTE (ShaunClinton)We play SR that always starts ...   Jan 8 2008, 06:45 PM
- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (ShaunClinton) We play SR that always starts...   Jan 8 2008, 07:03 PM
- - Redjack   QUOTE (ShaunClinton) For instance at the moment we...   Jan 8 2008, 07:13 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) QUOTE (Fortune @ Jan 8 ...   Jan 8 2008, 07:24 PM
- - ShaunClinton   QUOTE There you go, folks. Proof that SR4 DOES app...   Jan 8 2008, 07:32 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jan 8 2008, 03:29 PM) I d...   Jan 8 2008, 07:44 PM
- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (ShaunClinton @ Jan 8 2008, 02:32 PM) T...   Jan 8 2008, 07:56 PM
- - TheOneRonin   QUOTE (ShaunClinton)QUOTE There you go, folks. Pro...   Jan 8 2008, 08:09 PM
- - Whipstitch   I think my single biggest issue with idea of such ...   Jan 8 2008, 08:53 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Wow. I'm gonna agree with Ronin and others. ...   Jan 8 2008, 09:11 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE (Redjack @ Jan 8 2008, 02:13 PM) QUOTE ...   Jan 8 2008, 09:16 PM
- - deek   Well, its 4 PCs, so on average, 1,250 karma each. ...   Jan 8 2008, 09:44 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Let's see. If an attribute is 40, we'll a...   Jan 8 2008, 10:07 PM
- - Redjack   I missed the post that definitely could be a perso...   Jan 8 2008, 10:12 PM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (Redjack) I missed the post that definitely ...   Jan 8 2008, 10:52 PM
- - Stormdrake   Just for clarification, my post was not about powe...   Jan 8 2008, 11:05 PM
- - Sponge   QUOTE (Stormdrake)Just for clarification, my post ...   Jan 8 2008, 11:12 PM
- - Kenshi   Everything is on a pendulum. 1st and 2nd Edition ...   Jan 9 2008, 07:50 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE The Taliban was created in 1994. The Taliba...   Jan 9 2008, 08:38 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (DTFarstar) The gray hats also never promise...   Jan 9 2008, 08:49 AM
- - DTFarstar   QUOTE (hyzmarca) The white hats save the day but t...   Jan 9 2008, 11:47 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (hyzmarca) After WWII, we had the Marshal Pl...   Jan 9 2008, 11:57 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (hyzmarca @ ...   Jan 9 2008, 12:51 PM
- - ShaunClinton   The campaign has been running for just shy of 5 ye...   Jan 9 2008, 01:07 PM
- - Ryu   So you are playing SR3, else you would be using od...   Jan 9 2008, 01:53 PM
- - TheOneRonin   QUOTE (ShaunClinton)The campaign has been running ...   Jan 9 2008, 02:40 PM
- - Ryu   Again, everything points to him playing SR3. I wo...   Jan 9 2008, 03:33 PM
- - DTFarstar   If I were to aim for a small fish in a big pond lo...   Jan 9 2008, 03:36 PM
- - Blade   To answer the OP question, I'd say it's be...   Jan 9 2008, 04:10 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...there is also a danger inherent in starting a h...   Jan 9 2008, 05:09 PM
- - ShaunClinton   As most posters figured out, I am playing SR3. Wit...   Jan 9 2008, 05:15 PM
- - ShaunClinton   Given the chat about starting off low level. I sho...   Jan 9 2008, 05:18 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE ...   Jan 9 2008, 05:35 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) The Taliban took their first...   Jan 9 2008, 07:07 PM
- - FrankTrollman   kzt, that is not a universally agreed upon origin ...   Jan 9 2008, 08:02 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jan 9 2008, 12:35...   Jan 9 2008, 09:13 PM
- - Stahlseele   notice how being a democracy does not stop america...   Jan 9 2008, 09:19 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE A theory that I got more of a kick out of wa...   Jan 9 2008, 09:27 PM
- - Stahlseele   didn't korea and vietnam have McDonalds too? a...   Jan 9 2008, 09:29 PM
- - Riley37   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) I believe we've accompli...   Jan 9 2008, 09:37 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Stahlseele) didn't korea and vietnam ha...   Jan 9 2008, 09:41 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) So when I want to play a ga...   Jan 9 2008, 10:04 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   QUOTE (knasser) The vogue for dark, anti-heroes is...   Jan 9 2008, 10:10 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Stahlseele) notice how being a democracy do...   Jan 9 2008, 10:55 PM
- - Stahlseele   *toothy Troll-Grin* i like your way of thinking Fo...   Jan 9 2008, 10:56 PM
- - Fortune   I wasn't kidding. IIRC, it is technically a re...   Jan 9 2008, 11:14 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...[/derail] ....not that I haven't been guil...   Jan 9 2008, 11:57 PM
- - Fortune   I guess it depends on your definition of both ...   Jan 9 2008, 11:59 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...just that I've often seen these debates deg...   Jan 10 2008, 12:02 AM
- - Riley37   QUOTE (knasser) The vogue for dark, anti-heroes is...   Jan 10 2008, 03:41 AM
- - Whipstitch   To be fair, things like Nancy Drew and the Hardy B...   Jan 10 2008, 04:26 AM
- - Glyph   Even Tolkien didn't fall into a simplistic goo...   Jan 10 2008, 05:41 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jan 9 2008, 05:55 PM) QUOTE ...   Jan 10 2008, 03:32 PM
- - ElFenrir   Well, it really does seem street level means diffe...   Jan 10 2008, 04:02 PM
- - Riley37   QUOTE (ElFenrir) I still stand by the idea that ba...   Jan 10 2008, 04:29 PM
- - Stormdrake   I have no problem starting characters on a "s...   Jan 10 2008, 06:37 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (hyzmarca) Democracy is defined as a politic...   Jan 10 2008, 06:42 PM
- - FrankTrollman   It hinges on what you think the definition of demo...   Jan 10 2008, 07:08 PM
- - martindv   QUOTE (hyzmarca) The absurdly violent tough-on-cri...   Jan 10 2008, 08:57 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Eryk the Red) It's street level if the ...   Jan 10 2008, 09:03 PM
- - TheOneRonin   QUOTE (JonathanC) QUOTE (Eryk the Red @ Jan 7...   Jan 10 2008, 09:11 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (JonathanC) PCs start with 400BP, but averag...   Jan 10 2008, 09:46 PM
- - JonathanC   I didn't think they ever defined what the star...   Jan 10 2008, 10:17 PM
- - Ryu   It comes from every attribute average=3. There cou...   Jan 10 2008, 10:20 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Ryu) It comes from every attribute average=...   Jan 10 2008, 10:24 PM
- - Stahlseele   QUOTE and every damned one has learned to fear the...   Jan 10 2008, 10:32 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Ryu @ Jan 11 2008, 08:...   Jan 10 2008, 10:43 PM
- - JonathanC   Oh, okay. In any case, I've always found that ...   Jan 10 2008, 10:44 PM
- - Ravor   Yeah, but I place the blame mostly on the fault of...   Jan 10 2008, 11:54 PM
- - Whipstitch   I disagree with the "it's a bug, not a fe...   Jan 11 2008, 01:21 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jan 11 2008, 09:21 AM) So...   Jan 11 2008, 01:33 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (knasser) Average attribute of a person or a...   Jan 11 2008, 02:34 AM
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