Jan 7 2008, 09:53 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
I have to ask why this trend towards street level games? Most of the players I have ever known want to play epic games, to be the hero that rises up, not some one who is trapped always on the bottom rung. The current incarnation seems bent on making every one play one style, street. Yes I know people here have posted ways to up the level, so to speak and i have come up with several on my own. Still the game itself as it is presented does not seem to lend itself to any other style of play rather than the previously mentioned street level. Hand in hand with this is the apparent removal of all meta plots. The exception to this is Emergence and that was really a hold over from 3rd edition. I really am not out to start an argument but am genuinely curious as to why this has happened. As we do have many of the free lance writers who developed the latest edition, here on Dump Shock I was hoping they mite shed a little light on this for me.
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Stormdrake Game level Jan 7 2008, 09:53 PM
Whipstitch ...To be fair, I've yet to run a pc by the nor... Jan 7 2008, 10:01 PM
Eryk the Red It's street level if the other jerks on the st... Jan 7 2008, 10:04 PM
Stahlseele the opinion in the industry seems to be that dark ... Jan 7 2008, 10:09 PM
Whipstitch Chrome is less of a pain in the ass than ever in t... Jan 7 2008, 10:16 PM
Stahlseele quoth the GM:"i don't friggin care what t... Jan 7 2008, 10:19 PM
Whipstitch Again though, what's that have to do with 4th ... Jan 7 2008, 10:23 PM
knasser Dark and morally dubious is in. Heroes are out. Ha... Jan 7 2008, 10:50 PM
Ryu Why street level? Because your chars are king of t... Jan 7 2008, 11:09 PM
Riley37 Although not familiar with previous editions, I do... Jan 7 2008, 11:59 PM
Cthulhudreams I guess it nails down to how much you think runner... Jan 8 2008, 12:06 AM
Ryu I GM at the 20k¥+/run side of things. The streets... Jan 8 2008, 12:20 AM
ElFenrir I like to play and run in good middleground. 400 p... Jan 8 2008, 04:53 AM
cx2 I agree there aren't many metaplot books, but ... Jan 8 2008, 05:57 AM
Whipstitch QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Jan 7 2008, 11:53 PM)
It d... Jan 8 2008, 05:57 AM
Cain The problem here is that SR4 suffers from a massiv... Jan 8 2008, 07:03 AM
Glyph I think the problem is that when the devs said ... Jan 8 2008, 08:13 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Glyph) When it talks about build points, it... Jan 8 2008, 09:21 AM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (knasser)I'd be fascinated to hear what ... Jan 8 2008, 12:26 PM
Whipstitch QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jan 8 2008, 04:21... Jan 8 2008, 01:29 PM
martindv QUOTE (FrankTrollman)People are disillusioned with... Jan 8 2008, 04:05 PM
DTFarstar The gray hats also never promised we would feel cl... Jan 8 2008, 04:13 PM
Ravor Well in my opinion, Fourth Edition's Engine is... Jan 8 2008, 04:40 PM
kzt QUOTE (FrankTrollman) I think it's a product o... Jan 8 2008, 04:43 PM
Fortune QUOTE (kzt)The Taliban were post USSR
News to me... Jan 8 2008, 04:57 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (kzt)The Taliban were post U... Jan 8 2008, 05:05 PM
Whipstitch Eh, let's not go too heavily into politics, sh... Jan 8 2008, 05:31 PM
ShaunClinton We play SR that always starts out street and ends ... Jan 8 2008, 06:18 PM
TheOneRonin QUOTE (ShaunClinton)We play SR that always starts ... Jan 8 2008, 06:45 PM
Stahlseele QUOTE (ShaunClinton) We play SR that always starts... Jan 8 2008, 07:03 PM
Redjack QUOTE (ShaunClinton) For instance at the moment we... Jan 8 2008, 07:13 PM
kzt QUOTE (FrankTrollman) QUOTE (Fortune @ Jan 8 ... Jan 8 2008, 07:24 PM
ShaunClinton QUOTE There you go, folks. Proof that SR4 DOES app... Jan 8 2008, 07:32 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jan 8 2008, 03:29 PM) I d... Jan 8 2008, 07:44 PM
Whipstitch QUOTE (ShaunClinton @ Jan 8 2008, 02:32 PM) T... Jan 8 2008, 07:56 PM
TheOneRonin QUOTE (ShaunClinton)QUOTE There you go, folks. Pro... Jan 8 2008, 08:09 PM
Whipstitch I think my single biggest issue with idea of such ... Jan 8 2008, 08:53 PM
Jhaiisiin Wow. I'm gonna agree with Ronin and others. ... Jan 8 2008, 09:11 PM
Apathy QUOTE (Redjack @ Jan 8 2008, 02:13 PM) QUOTE ... Jan 8 2008, 09:16 PM
deek Well, its 4 PCs, so on average, 1,250 karma each.
... Jan 8 2008, 09:44 PM
Moon-Hawk Let's see. If an attribute is 40, we'll a... Jan 8 2008, 10:07 PM
Redjack I missed the post that definitely could be a perso... Jan 8 2008, 10:12 PM
eidolon QUOTE (Redjack) I missed the post that definitely ... Jan 8 2008, 10:52 PM
Stormdrake Just for clarification, my post was not about powe... Jan 8 2008, 11:05 PM
Sponge QUOTE (Stormdrake)Just for clarification, my post ... Jan 8 2008, 11:12 PM
Kenshi Everything is on a pendulum. 1st and 2nd Edition ... Jan 9 2008, 07:50 AM
FrankTrollman QUOTE The Taliban was created in 1994.
The Taliba... Jan 9 2008, 08:38 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (DTFarstar) The gray hats also never promise... Jan 9 2008, 08:49 AM
DTFarstar QUOTE (hyzmarca) The white hats save the day but t... Jan 9 2008, 11:47 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (hyzmarca) After WWII, we had the Marshal Pl... Jan 9 2008, 11:57 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (hyzmarca @ ... Jan 9 2008, 12:51 PM
ShaunClinton The campaign has been running for just shy of 5 ye... Jan 9 2008, 01:07 PM
Ryu So you are playing SR3, else you would be using od... Jan 9 2008, 01:53 PM
TheOneRonin QUOTE (ShaunClinton)The campaign has been running ... Jan 9 2008, 02:40 PM
Ryu Again, everything points to him playing SR3.
I wo... Jan 9 2008, 03:33 PM
DTFarstar If I were to aim for a small fish in a big pond lo... Jan 9 2008, 03:36 PM
Blade To answer the OP question, I'd say it's be... Jan 9 2008, 04:10 PM
Kyoto Kid ...there is also a danger inherent in starting a h... Jan 9 2008, 05:09 PM
ShaunClinton As most posters figured out, I am playing SR3. Wit... Jan 9 2008, 05:15 PM
ShaunClinton Given the chat about starting off low level. I sho... Jan 9 2008, 05:18 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE ... Jan 9 2008, 05:35 PM
kzt QUOTE (FrankTrollman) The Taliban took their first... Jan 9 2008, 07:07 PM
FrankTrollman kzt, that is not a universally agreed upon origin ... Jan 9 2008, 08:02 PM
CircuitBoyBlue QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jan 9 2008, 12:35... Jan 9 2008, 09:13 PM
Stahlseele notice how being a democracy does not stop america... Jan 9 2008, 09:19 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE A theory that I got more of a kick out of wa... Jan 9 2008, 09:27 PM
Stahlseele didn't korea and vietnam have McDonalds too?
a... Jan 9 2008, 09:29 PM
Riley37 QUOTE (FrankTrollman) I believe we've accompli... Jan 9 2008, 09:37 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (Stahlseele) didn't korea and vietnam ha... Jan 9 2008, 09:41 PM
knasser QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) So when I want to play a ga... Jan 9 2008, 10:04 PM
CircuitBoyBlue QUOTE (knasser) The vogue for dark, anti-heroes is... Jan 9 2008, 10:10 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Stahlseele) notice how being a democracy do... Jan 9 2008, 10:55 PM
Stahlseele *toothy Troll-Grin*
i like your way of thinking Fo... Jan 9 2008, 10:56 PM
Fortune I wasn't kidding. IIRC, it is technically a re... Jan 9 2008, 11:14 PM
Kyoto Kid ...[/derail]
....not that I haven't been guil... Jan 9 2008, 11:57 PM
Fortune I guess it depends on your definition of both ... Jan 9 2008, 11:59 PM
Kyoto Kid ...just that I've often seen these debates deg... Jan 10 2008, 12:02 AM
Riley37 QUOTE (knasser) The vogue for dark, anti-heroes is... Jan 10 2008, 03:41 AM
Whipstitch To be fair, things like Nancy Drew and the Hardy B... Jan 10 2008, 04:26 AM
Glyph Even Tolkien didn't fall into a simplistic goo... Jan 10 2008, 05:41 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Fortune @ Jan 9 2008, 05:55 PM) QUOTE ... Jan 10 2008, 03:32 PM
ElFenrir Well, it really does seem street level means diffe... Jan 10 2008, 04:02 PM
Riley37 QUOTE (ElFenrir) I still stand by the idea that ba... Jan 10 2008, 04:29 PM
Stormdrake I have no problem starting characters on a "s... Jan 10 2008, 06:37 PM
Fortune QUOTE (hyzmarca) Democracy is defined as a politic... Jan 10 2008, 06:42 PM
FrankTrollman It hinges on what you think the definition of demo... Jan 10 2008, 07:08 PM
martindv QUOTE (hyzmarca) The absurdly violent tough-on-cri... Jan 10 2008, 08:57 PM
JonathanC QUOTE (Eryk the Red) It's street level if the ... Jan 10 2008, 09:03 PM
TheOneRonin QUOTE (JonathanC) QUOTE (Eryk the Red @ Jan 7... Jan 10 2008, 09:11 PM
Fortune QUOTE (JonathanC) PCs start with 400BP, but averag... Jan 10 2008, 09:46 PM
JonathanC I didn't think they ever defined what the star... Jan 10 2008, 10:17 PM
Ryu It comes from every attribute average=3. There cou... Jan 10 2008, 10:20 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Ryu) It comes from every attribute average=... Jan 10 2008, 10:24 PM
Stahlseele QUOTE and every damned one has learned to fear the... Jan 10 2008, 10:32 PM
knasser QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Ryu @ Jan 11 2008, 08:... Jan 10 2008, 10:43 PM
JonathanC Oh, okay. In any case, I've always found that ... Jan 10 2008, 10:44 PM
Ravor Yeah, but I place the blame mostly on the fault of... Jan 10 2008, 11:54 PM
Whipstitch I disagree with the "it's a bug, not a fe... Jan 11 2008, 01:21 AM
toturi QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jan 11 2008, 09:21 AM) So... Jan 11 2008, 01:33 AM
Fortune QUOTE (knasser) Average attribute of a person or a... Jan 11 2008, 02:34 AM![]() ![]() |
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