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Kyoto Kid
post Jan 15 2008, 06:35 PM
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...OK since the original thread has been seriously derailed buy discussion on long shots, called shots & relevance of the GM, I decided to take the "better part of valor" approach and reboot the original topic:

QUOTE (Stormdrake)
I have to ask why this trend towards street level games? Most of the players I have ever known want to play epic games, to be the hero that rises up, not some one who is trapped always on the bottom rung. The current incarnation seems bent on making every one play one style, street. Yes I know people here have posted ways to up the level, so to speak and i have come up with several on my own. Still the game itself as it is presented does not seem to lend itself to any other style of play rather than the previously mentioned street level. Hand in hand with this is the apparent removal of all meta plots. The exception to this is Emergence and that was really a hold over from 3rd edition. I really am not out to start an argument but am genuinely curious as to why this has happened. As we do have many of the free lance writers who developed the latest edition, here on Dump Shock I was hoping they mite shed a little light on this for me.

...and please, let's try and keep the discussion civil.
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- Kyoto Kid   Game Level why must it be Street II?   Jan 15 2008, 06:35 PM
- - JonathanC   I think the appeal of the street level game is the...   Jan 15 2008, 06:46 PM
- - Backgammon   Could it be that we LIKE playing street level? It...   Jan 15 2008, 07:08 PM
|- - evil_bacteria   QUOTE (Backgammon @ Jan 15 2008, 02:08 PM...   May 21 2008, 08:51 PM
|- - Leofski   QUOTE (Backgammon @ Jan 15 2008, 08:08 PM...   May 21 2008, 10:28 PM
|- - evil_bacteria   QUOTE (Leofski @ May 21 2008, 05:28 PM) I...   May 21 2008, 10:42 PM
|- - imperialus   QUOTE (evil_bacteria @ May 21 2008, 04:42...   May 21 2008, 11:02 PM
|- - Sir_Psycho   QUOTE (evil_bacteria @ May 21 2008, 05:42...   May 22 2008, 02:01 AM
|- - evil_bacteria   QUOTE (Sir_Psycho @ May 21 2008, 09:01 PM...   May 22 2008, 02:53 AM
- - Eryk the Red   For the most part, it allows certain kinds of stor...   Jan 15 2008, 07:11 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...100% in agreement there. In some ways I have s...   Jan 15 2008, 07:14 PM
- - Dashifen   Can there be such a thing as an epic street level ...   Jan 15 2008, 07:19 PM
- - JonathanC   While we're on the subject, aside from lowerin...   Jan 15 2008, 07:19 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Maybe "street level" is so much more pop...   Jan 15 2008, 07:21 PM
- - Fortinbras   To be perfectly frank, it's just easier. Creat...   Jan 15 2008, 07:29 PM
- - Dashifen   I don't think street level is determined by di...   Jan 15 2008, 07:31 PM
- - knasser   I'll qualify all of the following with the cav...   Jan 15 2008, 07:31 PM
- - Nightwalker450   I vote street level for the grounds of building a ...   Jan 15 2008, 07:42 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...I've been on both ends and in the middle. ...   Jan 15 2008, 07:44 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   "Epic" can also be defined from a matter...   Jan 15 2008, 07:46 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   I'd say that you can play epic or street, but ...   Jan 15 2008, 08:21 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Jan 16 2008, 06:21 AM...   Jan 15 2008, 08:34 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   In our last game, and as the ending to the saga of...   Jan 15 2008, 08:42 PM
- - FrankTrollman   I usually sand box it, letting players do whatever...   Jan 15 2008, 10:20 PM
- - Dashifen   Why are we trying to avoid killing the PCs again? ...   Jan 15 2008, 10:25 PM
- - Stahlseele   QUOTE As a game master you're trying to scare ...   Jan 15 2008, 10:29 PM
- - ElFenrir   I guess for me it's a case of ''im a j...   Jan 15 2008, 11:49 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...the low powered campaign I was in was not so mu...   Jan 16 2008, 12:02 AM
- - Glyph   Personally, I think SR4's default level of 400...   Jan 16 2008, 03:40 AM
- - Method   It seems like all too often people want to play th...   Jan 16 2008, 04:32 AM
- - hyzmarca   Define street level. Please. Is Ichi the Killer...   Jan 16 2008, 04:46 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Method) It seems like all too often people ...   Jan 16 2008, 05:34 AM
- - Ravor   Although I could be wrong, if Method said what I t...   Jan 16 2008, 06:22 AM
- - Method   QUOTE (Cain)*Please* don't tell me that you su...   Jan 16 2008, 06:24 AM
- - Glyph   I don't get why people think it's one or t...   Jan 16 2008, 07:15 AM
- - Cardul   What is "Street"? What is "Epic...   Jan 16 2008, 07:28 AM
- - FrankTrollman   What I like is how many people expressed that they...   Jan 16 2008, 07:54 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE I am by no means saying that character has t...   Jan 16 2008, 07:56 AM
- - Method   QUOTE (Method @ Jan 15 2008, 11:24 PM) I...   Jan 16 2008, 07:59 AM
- - Method   QUOTE (Cain) The problem is that characters don...   Jan 16 2008, 08:06 AM
- - Riley37   And then Goldilocks played in the 200 BP campaign,...   Jan 16 2008, 08:24 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Riley37) And then Goldilocks played in the ...   Jan 16 2008, 09:01 AM
- - Ryu   Max. natural magic is 8 (or 9 if 100 karma are a l...   Jan 16 2008, 11:44 AM
- - ElFenrir   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) What I like is how many peop...   Jan 16 2008, 12:19 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Ryu) ... might use a power focus for the re...   Jan 16 2008, 01:37 PM
- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) In some ways I have seen a just ...   Jan 16 2008, 02:28 PM
- - Ryu   I share those traits. Most runners should have ath...   Jan 16 2008, 03:53 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Method)So I guess in a long winded sort of ...   Jan 16 2008, 04:22 PM
- - Ezeckial   I tend to like my games to start just below what I...   Jan 16 2008, 04:52 PM
- - ElFenrir   QUOTE (Whipstitch) QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Jan 15 ...   Jan 16 2008, 05:58 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Riley37) And then Goldilocks played in the ...   Jan 16 2008, 08:18 PM
- - Ravor   Ah thats just it though, playing with lower dicepo...   Jan 16 2008, 08:24 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   Playing "street" doesn't necessarily...   Jan 16 2008, 09:22 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) I'm not saying it was p...   Jan 16 2008, 09:29 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...@CBB excellent points. Particularly about the ...   Jan 16 2008, 10:07 PM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (Method)Glyph: At what point did I say the t...   Jan 17 2008, 03:32 AM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...OK as forewarned, now on to the Political Intri...   Jan 17 2008, 07:26 AM
- - Method   Yeah, if you could please keep your posts to ...   Jan 17 2008, 08:27 AM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...but what about those who like the middle ground...   Jan 17 2008, 03:34 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Dude, that post was epic.   Jan 17 2008, 04:43 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...true, but a lot of bases to cover considering h...   Jan 17 2008, 06:50 PM
- - kigmatzomat   I guess it depends on how many points qualify as ...   May 21 2008, 10:05 PM
- - Emperor Tippy   For me it's not so much a debate between epic ...   May 21 2008, 10:42 PM
- - imperialus   Slightly more on topic I enjoy the grit and grunge...   May 21 2008, 11:12 PM
- - Knight takes Bishop   Sometimes, I feel that the epic story can't of...   May 22 2008, 04:10 AM
- - Deimos Masque   I personally prefer street level, in that I don...   May 22 2008, 02:56 PM
- - MaxHunter   Firstly I have to say I love this thread so far. T...   May 22 2008, 04:19 PM
- - CanRay   While it's not Shadowrun (Again, I've only...   May 22 2008, 05:10 PM
- - evil_bacteria   Oooh, ooh, what's a Z-Zone?   May 22 2008, 05:46 PM
- - CanRay   Z-Zone: Zone where there's no law save the la...   May 22 2008, 05:49 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (MaxHunter)Thxs to KK for railing it back .....   May 22 2008, 06:01 PM
- - Heath Robinson   I like lower powered games because I'd get to ...   May 22 2008, 06:22 PM
- - Method   Z zone: not to be confused with Zero Zone, a term ...   May 22 2008, 06:37 PM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Method @ May 22 2008, 07:37 PM) He...   May 22 2008, 06:58 PM
- - Method   Interesting...   May 22 2008, 07:32 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...ShadowSpies? ShandowNoir?   May 22 2008, 08:18 PM
|- - Zak   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ May 22 2008, 03:18 PM)...   May 22 2008, 08:23 PM
|- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Zak @ May 22 2008, 01:23 PM) Shado...   May 22 2008, 08:34 PM
- - paws2sky   I'd like to see more info on SR's orbitals...   May 22 2008, 08:44 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (paws2sky @ May 22 2008, 03:44 PM) ...   May 22 2008, 08:58 PM
|- - Adarael   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ May 22 2008, 01:58...   May 22 2008, 11:27 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...wish I could get the rest of my group intereste...   May 22 2008, 11:17 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Adarael)Seriously, Shadowrun's space is...   May 22 2008, 11:38 PM
- - Adarael   Me too, actually. I just need to have a team who ...   May 22 2008, 11:49 PM
- - Emperor Tippy   If someone wants to run a space game I'll glad...   May 22 2008, 11:54 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   Well letsee, I'm down in Portland, Adarael, yo...   May 23 2008, 12:01 AM
- - Emperor Tippy   DC It would most likely have to be PbP.   May 23 2008, 12:24 AM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...yeah, that would be a bit of a commute. Be grea...   May 23 2008, 12:38 AM
- - Emperor Tippy   Yeah, and I don't plan on moving out west and ...   May 23 2008, 12:39 AM

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