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whistlingtony
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Hi all,

I have been a long time fan of Shadowrun. It always pained me that SR had a great setting saddled with horrible rules. I've been very excited to see the rules changes. Here are a few of my thoughts. I'd love some feedback and ideas please.

1. Combat is still slow. I tried getting rid of resisting damage, but it was unfair to heavy body types. Now I just rule of 4 all of that unless the players want to try to save their hides. The book has some good suggestions, anyone found anything that works well?

2. Why are the PDF files so expensive? Hey, Catalyst! Make Them Cheaper. Way cheaper... If you make them $5, everyone I know would buy them. PDF files aren't as handy as a book. They get lost. You can't read them without a computer. They're cumbersome to use in play... Their perceived value is far less than that of a book. Besides, it's not like you have to pay to have them made. Sheesh.

3. Is it just me or is the setting kind of lacking now? It seems that the SR setting is branching beyond Seattle, but at the expense of any real depth for all these new settings. Oh, and the history in the beginning of the book isn't as good any more. It has to skim over too much. I just bought Corporate Enclaves..... Nothing about Seattle. Nothing about the day to day life of Joe Average in 2070. I was hoping for something like the Sprawl Survival Guide. I'm not too impressed with Augmentation either. They were both expensive and not that interesting.

4. Rigging and Decking rock now. It's amazing and wonderful. Job Well Done.

Thanks all!

-Tony

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- whistlingtony   My Thoughts On Sr4   Feb 2 2008, 02:14 PM
- - MaxHunter   For Seattle you should have got Runner Havens. I d...   Feb 2 2008, 02:20 PM
- - Whipstitch   Uh, there's guys like me who own only the main...   Feb 2 2008, 10:16 PM
- - Prime Mover   Got all books in hardcover accept GM screen, easie...   Feb 2 2008, 10:26 PM
- - imperialus   QUOTE 3. Is it just me or is the setting kind of ...   Feb 2 2008, 10:54 PM
- - Caine Hazen   QUOTE (whistlingtony @ Feb 2 2008, 09:14 ...   Feb 2 2008, 11:17 PM
- - Method   I don't mind paying for the pdf or the books. ...   Feb 2 2008, 11:40 PM
- - Ravor   I have to second the notion that Fourth Edition...   Feb 3 2008, 01:14 AM
- - BishopMcQ   It's true that the SR4 line is leaning away fr...   Feb 3 2008, 01:38 AM
- - Ravor   Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't ahve a pro...   Feb 3 2008, 01:51 AM
- - Ancient History   People are always gonna hate Runner Havens 'ca...   Feb 3 2008, 01:54 AM
|- - Casper   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 3 2008, 01:5...   Feb 3 2008, 09:08 PM
- - Whipstitch   For what it's worth all my friends who never p...   Feb 3 2008, 01:58 AM
- - Malicant   I like Runner Havens because it was not a Seattle ...   Feb 3 2008, 01:59 AM
- - Naysayer   Yeah, maybe it's because Seattles been with me...   Feb 3 2008, 02:55 AM
- - Adam   QUOTE (whistlingtony @ Feb 2 2008, 09:14 ...   Feb 3 2008, 06:48 AM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...I have no issue with the price on the PDFs. I ...   Feb 3 2008, 06:56 AM
|- - imperialus   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Feb 2 2008, 11:56 PM) ...   Feb 3 2008, 07:17 AM
- - Cain   I can't say that I care for Runner Havens that...   Feb 3 2008, 09:09 AM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 3 2008, 09:09 AM) I can...   Feb 3 2008, 01:07 PM
- - DeadLogic   Personally, I like the new approach that's bei...   Feb 3 2008, 10:23 AM
- - Cardul   OK, you know..I have to say that I like Runner Hav...   Feb 3 2008, 12:46 PM
- - DocTaotsu   I freaking hate PDF, maybe I'm doing it wrong ...   Feb 3 2008, 01:17 PM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (Ancient History)People are always gonna hat...   Feb 3 2008, 04:44 PM
- - Mattily   At first I hated the pdfs, they were horribly slow...   Feb 3 2008, 05:08 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   I think if PDFs make your system unstable the prob...   Feb 3 2008, 05:12 PM
|- - It trolls!   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 3 2008, 06:12 ...   Feb 3 2008, 05:30 PM
|- - arathian   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 3 2008, 01:12 ...   Feb 4 2008, 08:53 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 3 2008, 12:12 ...   Feb 4 2008, 11:19 AM
- - Mattily   I changed from Adobe Reader to PDF-Xchange viewer ...   Feb 3 2008, 05:36 PM
- - hobgoblin   adobe reader is just a mess, its so bloated that i...   Feb 3 2008, 05:55 PM
|- - MYST1C   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 3 2008, 06:55 PM) ...   Feb 3 2008, 06:03 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (MYST1C @ Feb 3 2008, 07:03 PM) 128...   Feb 3 2008, 06:07 PM
- - MYST1C   Actually, Adobe Reader can be necessary for some p...   Feb 3 2008, 06:00 PM
|- - Connor   QUOTE (MYST1C @ Feb 3 2008, 12:00 PM) Act...   Feb 4 2008, 05:05 AM
- - Daier Mune   QUOTE (whistlingtony @ Feb 2 2008, 09:14 ...   Feb 3 2008, 06:53 PM
- - hobgoblin   most "quick" battle systems seems to do ...   Feb 3 2008, 07:05 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE 1. I think slow combat is just apart of the ...   Feb 3 2008, 07:06 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 3 2008, 07:06 PM) Does ...   Feb 3 2008, 07:42 PM
- - the_dunner   Exalted is different from SR. It *can* go a littl...   Feb 3 2008, 07:56 PM
- - BishopMcQ   All in all, it comes down to personal preference. ...   Feb 3 2008, 08:17 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (knasser @ Feb 3 2008, 11:42 AM) On...   Feb 3 2008, 08:26 PM
- - hobgoblin   http://www.megatokyo.com/strip/750   Feb 3 2008, 08:32 PM
- - Blade   You can't have a system that's both fast a...   Feb 3 2008, 09:27 PM
- - Cain   I don;t think there's much of anyone who disli...   Feb 3 2008, 09:35 PM
- - Blade   I played some games with Savage Worlds and - even ...   Feb 3 2008, 10:02 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Blade @ Feb 3 2008, 02:02 PM) I pl...   Feb 4 2008, 06:04 AM
- - dog_xinu   QUOTE (whistlingtony @ Feb 2 2008, 09:14 ...   Feb 4 2008, 04:40 AM
- - krakjen   PDF-Xchange Viewer is good too.   Feb 4 2008, 05:57 AM
- - Mattily   I miss pools.   Feb 4 2008, 08:45 AM
- - Adam   I used a different method when making the Arsenal ...   Feb 4 2008, 01:35 PM
- - knasser   Interesting. My machine is reasonably specc'd ...   Feb 4 2008, 06:32 PM
|- - Adam   QUOTE (knasser @ Feb 4 2008, 01:32 PM) My...   Feb 5 2008, 03:31 AM
|- - Cardul   QUOTE (Adam @ Feb 4 2008, 11:31 PM) I...   Feb 5 2008, 12:01 PM
- - augurer   I understand that creating a PDF isn't "n...   Feb 4 2008, 11:58 PM
- - Whipstitch   I dunno, in the age of internet piracy I kind of t...   Feb 5 2008, 01:05 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Feb 4 2008, 05:05 PM)...   Feb 5 2008, 01:32 AM
|- - It trolls!   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Feb 5 2008, 02:05 AM)...   Feb 5 2008, 01:35 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   Having played 3/3.5 D&D alot, mage, changeling...   Feb 5 2008, 01:23 AM
- - BFaolan   I was, but now I go back I'm not. (Gotta love...   Feb 5 2008, 03:34 AM
- - Kanada Ten   I think the combo cost is a little high (with the ...   Feb 5 2008, 03:45 AM
- - knasser   The PDFs are well priced in my opinion, though got...   Feb 5 2008, 07:24 AM
- - Moon-Hawk   I really wish they'd do the same thing Paizo i...   Feb 5 2008, 03:52 PM
- - Adam   Paizo is doing a lot of cool stuff, but I'm ju...   Feb 6 2008, 10:12 AM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Adam @ Feb 6 2008, 05:12 AM) Paizo...   Feb 6 2008, 04:16 PM


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