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DarkShadow
post Feb 5 2008, 10:56 PM
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I had a quick question.

I heard from a few friends who play SR3, that SR4 isn't any good. A few of the problems they said to me was that there is no room for improvement, and that a character straight out of chargen is extremely overpowered. I was also told that the rules for Deckers ("hackers" in sr4) are not even any good and hard to use.

I just wanna hear from some of you players how it is, and how you felt making the switch.

Also, which books are a must? I know I need SR3, Augmentation, Arsenal, but is there a sourcebook for deckers/hackers and magic?

Thanks!
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- DarkShadow   Sr4 Question From An Sr3 Player!   Feb 5 2008, 10:56 PM
- - Stahlseele   for magic there is the appropriately named street ...   Feb 5 2008, 11:01 PM
- - Lionhearted   Yes Decking is piece of cake in these days (once y...   Feb 5 2008, 11:01 PM
- - Grinder   Street Magic is the magic book and available in PD...   Feb 5 2008, 11:02 PM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (DarkShadow @ Feb 5 2008, 11:56 PM)...   Feb 5 2008, 11:03 PM
- - Redjack   As a player since sr1 here is my input: I like th...   Feb 5 2008, 11:07 PM
- - It trolls!   There are official SR3->SR4 character conversio...   Feb 5 2008, 11:11 PM
- - Stahlseele   well, the modified versions of the mundane climber...   Feb 5 2008, 11:18 PM
- - ElFenrir   I tend to agree; except for a couple of the famous...   Feb 5 2008, 11:27 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (DarkShadow @ Feb 5 2008, 11:56 PM)...   Feb 5 2008, 11:50 PM
|- - Fortune   N/M   Feb 6 2008, 12:21 AM
- - Mercer   Yeah, speaking as a member of a group just convert...   Feb 6 2008, 12:18 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Actually, guns do a lot more damage in SR4. Even H...   Feb 6 2008, 12:26 AM
- - DarkShadow   Thanks for the quick replies. I'm planning to ...   Feb 6 2008, 01:34 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE There is room for improvement, be it for mag...   Feb 6 2008, 02:30 AM
- - Glyph   For Attributes: you can start out with one Attribu...   Feb 6 2008, 04:17 AM
- - DTFarstar   Average negative combat modifier in my game is abo...   Feb 6 2008, 04:43 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE Magic and Resonance (the Attribute used by t...   Feb 6 2008, 05:29 AM
- - Glyph   I agree that technomancers suck, but I wasn't ...   Feb 6 2008, 06:29 AM
- - Blade   I had to reread your post several time to make sur...   Feb 6 2008, 11:11 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE In SR3, characters started as experienced ru...   Feb 6 2008, 12:00 PM
- - Cardul   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 6 2008, 12:17 AM) For ...   Feb 6 2008, 12:38 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (DarkShadow @ Feb 5 2008, 06:56 PM)...   Feb 6 2008, 03:32 PM
- - Ravor   Also something to remember is that due to the natu...   Feb 6 2008, 05:31 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Meh - the "no room for improvement" line...   Feb 6 2008, 05:54 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE Meh - the "no room for improvement...   Feb 6 2008, 06:43 PM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 6 2008, 06:43 PM) The n...   Feb 6 2008, 07:48 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Feb 7 2008, 06...   Feb 6 2008, 10:24 PM
- - ElFenrir   QUOTE I'd have to disagree on this point. SR4 ...   Feb 6 2008, 06:45 PM
- - Blade   In SR4 getting a Quickness of 9 is strictly imposs...   Feb 6 2008, 08:57 PM
- - Grinder   Ah, minor details.   Feb 6 2008, 09:05 PM
- - nathanross   QUOTE (Blade @ Posted Today, 03:57 PM)In SR4...   Feb 6 2008, 09:58 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 6 2008, 10:58 PM)...   Feb 6 2008, 11:25 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Feb 6 2008, 11...   Feb 6 2008, 10:27 PM
|- - Cardul   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 6 2008, 06:27 PM) I was...   Feb 6 2008, 10:56 PM
|- - Eurotroll   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 6 2008, 11:27 PM) Don...   Feb 6 2008, 10:59 PM
- - Stahlseele   wasn't quickness split into agility and reacti...   Feb 6 2008, 10:32 PM
- - Naysayer   Muscle Replacement is rating x5 availability, so l...   Feb 6 2008, 10:54 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Heh - I kept autotranslating quickness into reacti...   Feb 6 2008, 10:59 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Feb 7 2008, 09...   Feb 6 2008, 11:11 PM
- - Stahlseele   no mali in SR4 either, just lowered maximum, the m...   Feb 6 2008, 11:04 PM
- - Naysayer   Hmm... Reaction Enhancers (2) + Synaptic Watchamaj...   Feb 6 2008, 11:19 PM
- - Whipstitch   You just buy 5 reaction as per normal, Naysayer. I...   Feb 6 2008, 11:29 PM
- - Naysayer   Yeah, I kinda figured that too, but since there wa...   Feb 6 2008, 11:39 PM
- - Whipstitch   It's actually not that hard at all to get most...   Feb 7 2008, 12:09 AM
- - Naysayer   Well, being a somewhat dumb, crappy conversational...   Feb 7 2008, 12:25 AM
- - Whipstitch   Pretty much, but epic dicefests hit me as more use...   Feb 7 2008, 12:36 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE wasn't quickness split into agility and ...   Feb 7 2008, 03:37 AM
- - BishopMcQ   Cain--I would question whether or not renaming an ...   Feb 7 2008, 04:21 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Feb 7 2008, 03:21 PM) ...   Feb 7 2008, 05:10 AM
|- - Cardul   QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Feb 7 2008, 12:21 AM) ...   Feb 7 2008, 06:22 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE I would question whether or not renaming an ...   Feb 7 2008, 05:08 AM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 7 2008, 06:08 AM) The s...   Feb 7 2008, 01:18 PM
- - Fortune   I have to agree with Cardul about Genetic Optimiza...   Feb 7 2008, 06:26 AM
|- - Cardul   QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 7 2008, 02:26 AM) I ...   Feb 7 2008, 06:46 AM
- - Fortune   Shrug. Which therefore means Exceptional Attribute...   Feb 7 2008, 06:51 AM
- - Glyph   You can't really max out most Physical Attribu...   Feb 7 2008, 07:39 AM
- - Blade   Come on, why did they have to call it SR4? It had ...   Feb 7 2008, 03:05 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Blade @ Feb 8 2008, 02:05 AM) If I...   Feb 7 2008, 03:27 PM
- - krakjen   They lose their power at puberty and SR4 is set in...   Feb 7 2008, 07:11 PM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (krakjen @ Feb 7 2008, 08:11 PM) Th...   Feb 7 2008, 07:50 PM
|- - krakjen   QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 7 2008, 08:50 PM) O...   Feb 7 2008, 10:18 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE Decker is a really old term nobody beside SR...   Feb 7 2008, 10:26 PM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 7 2008, 11:26 PM) It...   Feb 7 2008, 10:45 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Feb 7 2008, 02...   Feb 8 2008, 12:37 AM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 8 2008, 01:37 AM) His p...   Feb 8 2008, 01:16 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 7 2008, 05:16 PM) I...   Feb 8 2008, 01:47 AM
|- - Naysayer   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 7 2008, 09:47 PM) ...   Feb 8 2008, 02:00 AM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 8 2008, 02:47 AM) ...   Feb 8 2008, 02:25 AM
|- - BishopMcQ   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 7 2008, 05:47 PM) I act...   Feb 8 2008, 06:09 AM
|- - bibliophile20   QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Feb 8 2008, 01:09 AM) ...   Feb 8 2008, 07:57 PM
- - Sponge   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Feb 6 2008, 12...   Feb 7 2008, 10:57 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Sponge @ Feb 8 2008, 09:57 AM) The...   Feb 8 2008, 01:29 AM
|- - Sponge   QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 7 2008, 08:29 PM) As...   Feb 8 2008, 03:31 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Sponge @ Feb 8 2008, 02:31 PM) The...   Feb 8 2008, 03:37 AM
- - Naysayer   The descriptive text for Synaptic Boosters only st...   Feb 7 2008, 11:09 PM
- - Grinder   And you just wanted to express that you don't ...   Feb 8 2008, 12:39 AM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE Decker is a really old term nobody beside SR...   Feb 8 2008, 12:47 AM
- - krakjen   The term "Matrix Specialist" is nice, bu...   Feb 8 2008, 02:53 AM
- - Glyph   Ironically, reaction enhancers are specifically al...   Feb 8 2008, 04:25 AM
- - Fortune   The only thing specifically disallowed for use wit...   Feb 8 2008, 04:34 AM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 8 2008, 05:34 AM) Th...   Feb 8 2008, 09:23 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 7 2008, 08:34 PM) Th...   Feb 9 2008, 04:42 AM
- - nathanross   Cain, as much as you seem to dislike [Insert Curre...   Feb 8 2008, 06:44 AM
- - Ravor   Bah! As far as I'm concerned there will al...   Feb 8 2008, 06:48 AM
- - eidolon   Preemptive strike! Bwah! Seriously, knoc...   Feb 8 2008, 04:21 PM
- - Malicant   Me no like burned cookie.   Feb 8 2008, 04:50 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE Beyond the exact quotes, I'd say that yo...   Feb 8 2008, 08:50 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 9 2008, 07:50 AM) But, ...   Feb 8 2008, 09:25 PM
- - Malicant   I don't really care what people like or dislik...   Feb 8 2008, 09:28 PM
- - Cain   I agree with Malicant. I like to argue, and while...   Feb 9 2008, 01:37 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 9 2008, 12:37 PM) So, s...   Feb 9 2008, 01:53 AM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 9 2008, 02:37 AM) So, s...   Feb 9 2008, 02:40 AM
- - nathanross   Wait, what about the cookies? Where can I get them...   Feb 9 2008, 02:02 AM
- - Cain   I'm not saying that SR4 doesn't have its g...   Feb 9 2008, 03:00 AM
- - Whipstitch   See, I don't think there's really a proble...   Feb 9 2008, 03:09 AM
- - Cain   The problems with the core mechanic includes the f...   Feb 9 2008, 03:40 AM
- - nathanross   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 8 2008, 10:00 PM) I...   Feb 9 2008, 05:55 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE And BTW, while I really dont care for the Va...   Feb 9 2008, 06:06 AM
- - Blade   SR4 system is much younger than SR1-3 system, so i...   Feb 9 2008, 11:17 AM
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