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This is probably covered somewhere but not finding it with search. Do these lamps just illuminate dual natured or does it allow mundanes to see into astral???
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- Prime Mover   Lucifer Lamps   Feb 11 2008, 04:58 PM
- - Raij   In the physical world, it allows characters with l...   Feb 11 2008, 05:29 PM
|- - Prime Mover   QUOTE (Raij @ Feb 11 2008, 12:29 PM) In t...   Feb 11 2008, 05:31 PM
- - GoldenAri   The way I read the description astral forms would ...   Feb 11 2008, 06:09 PM
- - Dashifen   I think GoldenAri is right: QUOTE Physical and as...   Feb 11 2008, 06:13 PM
|- - Jackstand   QUOTE (Dashifen @ Feb 11 2008, 02:13 PM) ...   Feb 11 2008, 07:34 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Jackstand @ Feb 11 2008, 02:34 PM)...   Feb 11 2008, 07:43 PM
|- - Jackstand   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Feb 11 2008, 03:4...   Feb 11 2008, 07:49 PM
- - Raij   Reading the entry I'm inclined to agree. Tha...   Feb 11 2008, 06:52 PM
- - apollo124   I presume this is in "Arsenal". Sounds ...   Feb 11 2008, 07:03 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Relative to going on a bughunt without one...no, n...   Feb 11 2008, 07:08 PM
- - stevebugge   The high cost of the bulbs means they aren't l...   Feb 11 2008, 08:01 PM
- - Ancient History   QUOTE I think that the adept still has to be astra...   Feb 11 2008, 08:05 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 11 2008, 04...   Feb 11 2008, 08:14 PM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Feb 11 2008, 09:14...   Feb 11 2008, 09:11 PM
||- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 11 2008, 04...   Feb 12 2008, 05:37 AM
||- - Ophis   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Feb 12 2008, 05:37...   Feb 12 2008, 09:35 AM
||- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Ophis @ Feb 12 2008, 05:35 AM) I...   Feb 12 2008, 12:19 PM
|- - Jackstand   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Feb 11 2008, 04:14...   Feb 11 2008, 09:25 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Of course, if the adept in question is targeting a...   Feb 11 2008, 08:20 PM
- - Nightwalker450   It probably goes without saying but apply modifier...   Feb 11 2008, 08:22 PM
- - GoldenAri   I'm pretty sure you'd need an active focus...   Feb 11 2008, 08:25 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Of course, if the adept in question is targe...   Feb 11 2008, 08:27 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   From the SR FAQ. QUOTE Do dual-natured characters/...   Feb 11 2008, 08:31 PM
- - GoldenAri   Well, I'll be damned... Curse you FAQ *shakes...   Feb 11 2008, 08:33 PM
- - Raij   I had exactly this question come up last night and...   Feb 11 2008, 08:41 PM
- - FrankTrollman   That FAQ answer is straight wrong. Dual Natured cr...   Feb 11 2008, 08:43 PM
- - Dashifen   Erring on the side of the defense of the FAQ write...   Feb 11 2008, 08:46 PM
- - Raij   I have reconsidered this after reading this paragr...   Feb 11 2008, 08:46 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Raij @ Feb 11 2008, 03:46 PM) I ha...   Feb 11 2008, 08:58 PM
- - Raij   QUOTE That doesn't help the hellhounds or the ...   Feb 11 2008, 09:05 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Raij @ Feb 11 2008, 04:05 PM) If t...   Feb 11 2008, 09:11 PM
- - stevebugge   Following this a bit it sounds like we've got ...   Feb 11 2008, 09:21 PM
|- - Slymoon   QUOTE (stevebugge @ Feb 11 2008, 03:21 PM...   Feb 11 2008, 09:44 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 11 2008, 04:44 PM) Y...   Feb 11 2008, 09:48 PM
- - Nightwalker450   I read it as adepts don't need astral combat i...   Feb 11 2008, 09:35 PM
- - Jackstand   Oh yeah. My contention was just with him saying t...   Feb 11 2008, 09:39 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   @stevebugge: I agree with your summary completely...   Feb 11 2008, 09:43 PM
- - GoldenAri   Well, as pretty much everyone is n agreement that ...   Feb 11 2008, 09:46 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (GoldenAri @ Feb 11 2008, 04:46 PM)...   Feb 11 2008, 10:09 PM
- - Raij   I think my solution is going to be simple. Dual Na...   Feb 11 2008, 10:23 PM
|- - Jackstand   QUOTE (Raij @ Feb 11 2008, 06:23 PM) I th...   Feb 11 2008, 10:48 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Raij: What about astrally perceiving characters?   Feb 11 2008, 10:29 PM
|- - Raij   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Feb 11 2008, 06:2...   Feb 11 2008, 10:33 PM
- - Slymoon   I dont have anybooks before me at the moment, but ...   Feb 11 2008, 10:40 PM
- - Daier Mune   heh, i don't know why i didn't think of th...   Feb 12 2008, 02:27 AM
- - FrankTrollman   You'd want to get a dual natured lasing substa...   Feb 12 2008, 02:35 AM
- - Ancient History   Except that astral combat clearly covers attacks w...   Feb 12 2008, 12:37 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 12 2008, 08...   Feb 12 2008, 12:45 PM
- - Ancient History   QUOTE ("p192 @ SR4")Making an atta...   Feb 12 2008, 01:42 PM
- - Fuchs   The wording of p. 191-192 is clear. One paragraph ...   Feb 12 2008, 01:48 PM
- - Ancient History   The reason there's no paragraph expressly deal...   Feb 12 2008, 01:52 PM
|- - Raij   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 12 2008, 09...   Feb 12 2008, 02:06 PM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (Raij @ Feb 12 2008, 02:06 PM) If t...   Feb 12 2008, 02:11 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Well, as demonstrated, it can. Sure, it's unli...   Feb 12 2008, 02:01 PM
- - Fuchs   Much easier (and much more logical) to let people ...   Feb 12 2008, 02:19 PM
- - Raij   QUOTE I can't really see why anyone would assu...   Feb 12 2008, 02:33 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE What I really want to disabuse is Frank...   Feb 12 2008, 02:38 PM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Feb 12 2008, 02:38...   Feb 12 2008, 02:50 PM
- - Fuchs   I meant an astrally perceiving adept - I am arguin...   Feb 12 2008, 02:38 PM
|- - Raij   QUOTE (Fuchs @ Feb 12 2008, 10:38 AM) I m...   Feb 12 2008, 02:43 PM
- - Nightwalker450   Adepts I don't think should be able to hit wit...   Feb 12 2008, 02:53 PM
- - Slymoon   I think we all agree that it is clearly not clear ...   Feb 12 2008, 02:58 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 12 2008, 09:58 AM) H...   Feb 12 2008, 05:47 PM
- - Raij   QUOTE Adepts I don't think should be able to h...   Feb 12 2008, 03:04 PM
- - Nightwalker450   --It is defined as dual-natured, but I see it as l...   Feb 12 2008, 03:06 PM
- - Slymoon   Moon-hawk: Not with my book(s) right now, the qui...   Feb 12 2008, 06:27 PM
- - Raij   QUOTE Mana Barrier creates an invisible barrier of...   Feb 12 2008, 06:33 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Raij @ Feb 12 2008, 01:33 PM) Slig...   Feb 12 2008, 06:47 PM
- - Slymoon   I can see that and will definately concede that po...   Feb 12 2008, 07:20 PM


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