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Chodav
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Okay, I am relatively new to SR3 and something has me stumped. Elves and trolls use Priority C while dwarves and orks use Priority D. Or, if you prefer the point-based system in SRComp, elves and trolls cost 10 while dwarves and orks cost 5.

(Now, before I go further, let me insert a disclaimer - I am not allowing for any sort of social or role-playing benefit of this or that race, because that will vary from game to game. Some groups play in a way that makes elves very valuable, while others spend half the game smuggling between the Ork Underground and Cascade Ork lands. So, please ignore any non-game-mechanic factors for a moment . . .)

Let's compare the racial modifications:

Dwarf - +1 Body, +2 Strength, +1 Willpower (net +4), thermographic vision, resistance (+2 dice) for any test to resist a disease or toxin

Elf - +1 Quickness, +2 Charisma (net +3), low-light vision

Ork - +3 Body, +2 Strength, -1 Charisma, -1 Intelligence (net +3), low-light vision

Troll - +5 Body, -1 Quickness, +4 Strength, -2 Intelligence, -2 Charisma (net +4), thermographic vision, +1 natural reach, +1 natural dermal armor

As I see it, in terms of game mechanics, elves and orks are virtually identical - both have a net +3 and low-light vision.

Dwarves and trolls are also nearly identical - both have a net +4, thermographic vision, and two other bonuses. They also both suffer the "wrong-sized-world" problem.

Why then, do dwarves cost less than elves?! By the numbers, dwarves are a bargain, and elves are a raw deal. It would seem that dwarves and trolls should be Priority C / cost 10, and elves and orks should be Priority D / cost 5.

(As a reminder, I'm not talking about role-playing issues that will vary from group to group.)

I asked my GM this question, and he replied that it was based on the races' prevalence in the population. That explanation stands up well when comparing orks and trolls (there are a LOT more orks), but does not hold up when comparing elves and dwarves - elves are more common by percentage of population in almost every location in my collection of sourcebooks, including New Seattle and Shadows of North America. Thus, I don't buy the prevalence argument.

So, why the disparity? Why do the high-benefit dwarves cost less than the low-benefit elves? Does anything in canon or company material explain this? (Perhaps in a previous version of SR?) It seems grossly illogical to me, and if I were to run a campaign, I would switch dwarves and elves in the Priority listing / point-based cost table.

What do you think?
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- Chodav   Priority / cost for metahumans   Dec 1 2003, 11:07 PM
- - Bearclaw   I'm all for making it an even 5 points/categor...   Dec 1 2003, 11:14 PM
- - Grey   You have to take several things into account, not ...   Dec 1 2003, 11:24 PM
- - TinkerGnome   Don't forget that dwarves have that x2 run mul...   Dec 1 2003, 11:25 PM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Chodav) As I see it, in terms of game mecha...   Dec 1 2003, 11:27 PM
- - Dende   Take into account cost of stuff too. Dwarves and T...   Dec 1 2003, 11:34 PM
- - Chodav   I forgot about the running multiplier - that's...   Dec 1 2003, 11:40 PM
- - Kagetenshi   There's already been a lengthy flamewar on thi...   Dec 1 2003, 11:44 PM
- - Chodav   Good Lord, 25 pages! Quick - somebody lock th...   Dec 2 2003, 12:08 AM
- - Azryl   See what you started......all over again, chodav.....   Dec 2 2003, 12:16 AM
- - Luke Hardison   I agree that the run mod is the biggest downside o...   Dec 2 2003, 12:17 AM
- - mfb   lock the thread? why? do you think it's stupid...   Dec 2 2003, 12:22 AM
- - Azryl   well the cost of gear might be a factor in the low...   Dec 2 2003, 12:26 AM
- - Chodav   QUOTE (Azryl) See what you started......all over a...   Dec 2 2003, 12:27 AM
- - Bearclaw   My Elf conjuring adept has a rating 4 ally spirit ...   Dec 2 2003, 12:42 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Bearclaw) My Elf conjuring adept has a rati...   Dec 2 2003, 12:46 AM
- - Azryl   Thanks for sharing, bearclaw.   Dec 2 2003, 12:46 AM
- - Chodav   Sharing what? That he role-plays sex? Geez, I...   Dec 2 2003, 12:58 AM
- - Kagetenshi   I think you mean silvergun. ~J   Dec 2 2003, 01:00 AM
- - Bearclaw   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Bearclaw @ Dec 2 2003,...   Dec 2 2003, 01:00 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Bearclaw) ...Here... Ahh yes, but that...   Dec 2 2003, 01:10 AM
- - Kurukami   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 2 2003, 01:00 AM) I t...   Dec 2 2003, 01:41 AM
- - Kagetenshi   No, he quite definitely means Silvergun. The fact ...   Dec 2 2003, 01:44 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   If anything, under the Build Point System, all met...   Dec 2 2003, 02:10 AM
- - Tziluthi   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) No, he quite definitely means S...   Dec 2 2003, 02:35 AM
- - Glyph   What the Doc said. If you really look at elves, y...   Dec 2 2003, 04:09 AM
- - Friggas Ring   Hrm, I wonder, has anyone run or been in a campaig...   Dec 2 2003, 05:35 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Ugh. Randomness for character generation is best ...   Dec 2 2003, 05:37 PM
- - Siege   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Ugh. Randomness for ch...   Dec 2 2003, 07:11 PM


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