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post Feb 15 2008, 08:16 PM
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It seems that the Decker from SR3 was taken to an extreme as the Hacker in SR4.

The previous SRs the decker was indeed the oddman out, often times (far more than not) I either ran the decking outside of game time or heavily Houseruled the system basing it off just a few dice rolls. (more than 2 less than 10)

I hardly ever had a dedicated decker in the group, usually they had a decker contact or the sam hybrid also decked. (enough to do some orange to low red systems) That worked well enough.

With SR4 though, since every single character is connected (usually it seems) then it also seems these three things are true:

1. Anyone and everyone can hack to an extent. (I havent gotten into the numbers enough to know the minimum effective skill+ program. However threshold tests seem doable by a 1 logic, 1 skill, 1 rating program? Likely I am missing something)

2. Everyone is meat for the hacker. Why should a hacker go on runs when he can hang out and hack all the legit users. Stealing anything and everything from cars to simple house burglery. To even just Identity theft and draining their accounts. Even on the runner side, no need for guns or magic when you can just forcefeed BTLs to everyone.

3. The Hacker has now gone from, "can do without and story line around it" to "must have or someone might make your toast burn" or "must address or the game mechanic suffers"

I suppose I am saying, it seems that the change is a bit far.

It is largely impossible to build a viable character that does not drop a ton of cash to buy software to protect himself or have a hacker friend or contact.

Lastly, if hacking is indeed such an issue, then why does the books gear not reflect that. Ala note that everything has X level of security or firewall. It seems that it is written so the ignorant unread and uninformed player will create a character with none of the security, just so the GM or Hacker player has someone to F with.

The wireless section says 'you better get a hacker on your side or buy software' while the gear section says 'here buy this un-secure gear'. It seems like a disconnect. Akin to buying a car with no seats or headlights. Still works, but um...

I understand that the world (civilians) at large do not have to deal with that, or just ignore it for some reason. "Oops looks like someone drained my account. Shucky Darn. Time to put more cash in there. la lala lala." But the game is not written for people to play (in game) ignorant civilians. Nor is the book written as an in-game catalog for the population (as was SR2 Street Sam Catalog)

I dunno, it just feels wierd.

(heres your out... Maybe I am old and can't get new concepts.}
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- Slymoon   Meat for the Hacker   Feb 15 2008, 08:16 PM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE 1. Anyone and everyone can hack to an extent...   Feb 15 2008, 08:38 PM
- - Slymoon   You are likely right about the interpenetration. ...   Feb 15 2008, 10:15 PM
|- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 15 2008, 04:15 PM) W...   Feb 15 2008, 10:54 PM
- - BlackHat   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 15 2008, 03:16 PM) H...   Feb 15 2008, 10:20 PM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 15 2008, 03:16 PM) I...   Feb 15 2008, 10:34 PM
- - Slymoon   Gotcha I think I finally may have the mechanics d...   Feb 17 2008, 10:05 PM
|- - nathanross   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 17 2008, 05:05 PM) G...   Feb 18 2008, 11:40 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...what I have been gathering from reading the var...   Feb 19 2008, 02:48 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Well, I think people focus too much on trying to h...   Feb 19 2008, 05:21 AM
- - Slymoon   I am coming back around to that mode of operation ...   Feb 19 2008, 06:00 AM
|- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 19 2008, 12:00 AM) I...   Feb 19 2008, 05:07 PM
|- - Slymoon   QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 19 2008, 11:07 AM...   Feb 19 2008, 07:48 PM
|- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 19 2008, 01:48 PM) S...   Feb 19 2008, 08:16 PM
|- - BRodda   QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 19 2008, 03:16 PM...   Feb 20 2008, 09:46 PM
- - Cheops   Firewall 6 and Encrypt 6 cost 3600 nuyen and combi...   Feb 19 2008, 03:39 PM
- - Abbandon   Unless your a hacker or rigger, getting hacked isn...   Feb 19 2008, 06:35 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...consider this idea yanked for the next time I G...   Feb 19 2008, 08:33 PM
- - Feshy   I think that at some point, you're better off ...   Feb 19 2008, 09:20 PM
- - Slymoon   So do you think Fizzypop corp cares more about the...   Feb 20 2008, 08:36 PM
|- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 20 2008, 02:36 PM) H...   Feb 21 2008, 03:06 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Dean doesn't even have a Stealth program: he c...   Feb 20 2008, 09:38 PM
- - Kanada Ten   The great part about RFID cans is that you don...   Feb 20 2008, 11:37 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...The Fizzy Pop(tm) Gambit ...coming in two week...   Feb 20 2008, 11:46 PM
- - Feshy   Personally, if I were fizzipop, one in ten dispens...   Feb 21 2008, 03:08 AM
- - Kanada Ten   And who really wants to feel the full fizz of the ...   Feb 21 2008, 03:23 AM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...this is getting better and better... I like t...   Feb 21 2008, 04:51 AM
- - Feshy   You know what would be even more devious? A whole...   Feb 21 2008, 05:03 AM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...and some filled with cutter nanites.   Feb 21 2008, 05:22 AM
|- - Feshy   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Feb 21 2008, 12:22 AM)...   Feb 21 2008, 05:30 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Sweet zombie Jesus! Couldn't they just be ...   Feb 21 2008, 05:49 AM
|- - Feshy   QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 21 2008, 12:49 AM...   Feb 21 2008, 05:55 AM
|- - ArkonC   QUOTE (Feshy @ Feb 21 2008, 06:55 AM) Wha...   Feb 21 2008, 05:58 AM
- - Feshy   I had another thought on this subject. All the de...   Feb 21 2008, 06:35 PM
- - Kanada Ten   Well, if we want to go crazy, then figure that Fiz...   Feb 21 2008, 07:15 PM
- - Slymoon   Of course Little Tommy the 2 yr old who is activel...   Feb 21 2008, 07:36 PM
|- - BRodda   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 21 2008, 02:36 PM) O...   Feb 21 2008, 08:00 PM
|- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (Slymoon @ Feb 21 2008, 01:36 PM) O...   Feb 21 2008, 08:47 PM
- - Slymoon   ah yes the good old 5S, see me with my implanted S...   Feb 21 2008, 08:35 PM
- - Feshy   I suppose you could also have a non-lethal respons...   Feb 21 2008, 09:40 PM


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