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Eyeless Blond
post Feb 27 2008, 05:53 PM
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Back in SR3, you were pretty much preordained to fail horribly if:

-You had no etiquette skill and/or a low Charisma
-A Body or Willpower below 4-5
-Only one initiative pass
-No or little armor

Now that we're in SR4, what are the new indispensable skills/attributes? What should no character ever be without? I'm assuming Dodge and Perception go into this category; is etiquette still there or did it move to a different social skill?
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- Eyeless Blond   Indispensable   Feb 27 2008, 05:53 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Stealth as skill group should be mandatory for eve...   Feb 27 2008, 06:06 PM
|- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Particle_Beam @ Feb 27 2008, 10:06...   Feb 27 2008, 07:28 PM
- - Ravor   ( A ) The necessary knowledge and equipment to set...   Feb 27 2008, 06:17 PM
|- - ArkonC   QUOTE (Ravor @ Feb 27 2008, 07:17 PM) ( A...   Feb 27 2008, 06:44 PM
|- - Ravor   QUOTE (ArkonC @ Feb 27 2008, 12:44 PM) Se...   Mar 21 2008, 04:00 PM
- - Daier Mune   Skills: Negotiation, Perception, Dodge must all be...   Feb 27 2008, 06:25 PM
|- - Larme   QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Feb 27 2008, 01:25 PM...   Feb 27 2008, 08:24 PM
- - Nightwalker450   (B) sounds like somebody who's behind the time...   Feb 27 2008, 06:26 PM
- - It trolls!   For me, two skills are essential to every characte...   Feb 27 2008, 06:33 PM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (It trolls! @ Feb 27 2008, 07:3...   Feb 27 2008, 06:51 PM
|- - It trolls!   QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 27 2008, 07:51 PM) ...   Feb 27 2008, 07:20 PM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (It trolls! @ Feb 27 2008, 08:2...   Feb 27 2008, 08:03 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Malicant @ Feb 27 2008, 03:03 PM) ...   Feb 27 2008, 08:11 PM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Feb 27 2008, 09:11...   Feb 27 2008, 08:27 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Perception. Infiltration. -Frank   Feb 27 2008, 06:34 PM
- - Teulisch   Negotiation (used to find new gear, and to defend ...   Feb 27 2008, 07:04 PM
- - Adarael   QUOTE ( A ) The necessary knowledge and equipment ...   Feb 27 2008, 07:26 PM
- - It trolls!   I just wrote him a PM because I didn't want to...   Feb 27 2008, 08:20 PM
- - MaxHunter   More than one initiative pass perception infiltr...   Feb 27 2008, 09:32 PM
- - MaxHunter   ...Forgot to add: a hidden locker somewhere with a...   Feb 27 2008, 09:43 PM
|- - It trolls!   QUOTE (MaxHunter @ Feb 27 2008, 10:43 PM)...   Feb 27 2008, 10:22 PM
||- - Lionhearted   QUOTE (It trolls! @ Feb 27 2008, 06:2...   Feb 27 2008, 10:37 PM
|||- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Feb 27 2008, 04:37 P...   Feb 27 2008, 11:04 PM
||- - Fortune   QUOTE (It trolls! @ Feb 28 2008, 09:2...   Feb 27 2008, 11:01 PM
||- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 27 2008, 03:01 PM) B...   Feb 27 2008, 11:28 PM
||- - Fortune   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Feb 28 2008, 10:28...   Feb 27 2008, 11:56 PM
||- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Feb 27 2008, 07:28...   Feb 27 2008, 11:57 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (MaxHunter @ Feb 27 2008, 03:43 PM)...   Mar 2 2008, 03:35 PM
- - WearzManySkins   I believe that Perception is the most key skill fo...   Feb 27 2008, 10:43 PM
- - ArkonC   The trunk of a burnt out car in a junkyard... Alwa...   Feb 27 2008, 11:37 PM
- - It trolls!   I didn't want to but I did it again. I deraile...   Feb 28 2008, 12:48 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   On topic then I tend to agree with frank that the...   Feb 28 2008, 01:15 AM
- - GryMor   A body of 3 plus (for armor) is only needed if you...   Feb 28 2008, 01:46 AM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   I haven't noticed anything taking the throne t...   Feb 28 2008, 02:31 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Hm. So, we have something like two tiers of necess...   Feb 28 2008, 02:33 AM
|- - ArkonC   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Feb 28 2008, 03:33...   Feb 28 2008, 04:26 AM
||- - Daier Mune   QUOTE (ArkonC @ Feb 28 2008, 12:26 AM) I ...   Feb 28 2008, 05:18 AM
||- - Zak   QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Feb 28 2008, 12:18 AM...   Feb 28 2008, 12:42 PM
|- - paws2sky   Okay, I'll bite and delurk for a second... QUO...   Feb 28 2008, 02:45 PM
- - Larme   If anyone is going to tell me "there is no su...   Feb 28 2008, 03:44 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Well what would you change? I'll be the first ...   Feb 28 2008, 05:16 AM
- - ArkonC   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Feb 28 2008, 06:16...   Feb 28 2008, 05:59 AM
- - Serial_Peacemaker   Perception is one of the biggest things, and steal...   Feb 28 2008, 07:01 PM
- - ElFenrir   I go with: Skills: Etiquette, Perception, Dodge O...   Feb 28 2008, 07:08 PM
- - Riley37   I'd say there is very little that EACH AND EVE...   Feb 28 2008, 09:52 PM
- - ToreadorVampire   Lol, until a game session ago (when a new player j...   Feb 28 2008, 10:22 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   Body 3 was much more important before the release ...   Feb 29 2008, 01:34 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   So, then we have three tiers: Critical: You don...   Feb 29 2008, 05:20 PM
- - ElFenrir   EB; that looks pretty nice there. I agree that the...   Feb 29 2008, 05:48 PM
- - Blade   Grenades. Pepper punch, flash-paks and flash-bangs...   Feb 29 2008, 11:43 PM
- - Falconer   One thing I see... is that stealth isn't reall...   Mar 1 2008, 05:37 AM
- - Cain   Since Con/Fast Talk can go opposed vs. Negotiation...   Mar 1 2008, 07:15 AM
|- - Kyrn   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 1 2008, 08:15 AM) Since...   Mar 1 2008, 04:40 PM
- - Blade   Edge really depends on how the GM deals with it. S...   Mar 1 2008, 02:36 PM
- - Cain   The trick is to have high "natural" dice...   Mar 1 2008, 04:17 PM
- - Cain   That's part of the point. You can use con to ...   Mar 1 2008, 04:49 PM
- - Sponge   Personally, I'd like to see the rationale for ...   Mar 1 2008, 05:03 PM
|- - Kyrn   QUOTE (Sponge @ Mar 1 2008, 06:03 PM) Per...   Mar 1 2008, 05:09 PM
- - Kyrn   You need to reread the descriptions of the skills ...   Mar 1 2008, 05:05 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Kyrn @ Mar 1 2008, 09:05 AM) You n...   Mar 2 2008, 06:45 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   I'm not so sure about that. Con is all about l...   Mar 2 2008, 09:20 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Mar 2 2008, 01:20 ...   Mar 2 2008, 06:02 PM
|- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 2 2008, 10:02 AM) The w...   Mar 2 2008, 08:48 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Mar 2 2008, 12:48 ...   Mar 3 2008, 06:07 AM
- - ElFenrir   This is why i miss skill to skill defaulting. I re...   Mar 2 2008, 09:54 AM
- - Blade   The problem of such skill to skill defaulting is t...   Mar 2 2008, 02:35 PM
|- - ElFenrir   QUOTE (Blade @ Mar 2 2008, 10:35 AM) The ...   Mar 2 2008, 04:18 PM
- - Aaron   I'm just waiting for someone to bring up the s...   Mar 2 2008, 05:53 PM
- - Ryu   Cain is right in that chars can often do with very...   Mar 2 2008, 07:25 PM
- - Blade   QUOTE ("Aaron")I'm just waiting for ...   Mar 2 2008, 08:38 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Blade @ Mar 2 2008, 02:38 PM) I...   Mar 3 2008, 02:33 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   You mean this part (emphasis mine): (p. 121) ...   Mar 3 2008, 08:23 AM
- - Aaron   I use this guideline: If you're asking ...   Mar 3 2008, 01:24 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Aaron @ Mar 3 2008, 08:24 AM) Also...   Mar 3 2008, 05:18 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Mar 3 2008, 11:18...   Mar 3 2008, 05:44 PM
- - MaxHunter   Talking about skill overlaping.... how about infil...   Mar 3 2008, 04:30 PM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (MaxHunter @ Mar 3 2008, 05:30 PM) ...   Mar 3 2008, 06:17 PM
- - FrankTrollman   If you are unwilling or unable to stay out of line...   Mar 3 2008, 05:22 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Mar 3 2008, 12:22 ...   Mar 3 2008, 05:25 PM
- - Aaron   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Mar 3 2008, 11:25...   Mar 3 2008, 05:45 PM
- - nathanross   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Mar 3 2008, 01:25...   Mar 3 2008, 06:20 PM


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