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post Mar 3 2008, 06:14 PM
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I've been looking at a number of characters that have been posted on these boards and the one pretty consistent facet of them is Charisma 1.

Sure, Charisma doesn't help you directly kill stuff or help pick that maglock but it seems that people don't realise just what Charisma 1 means.

The BBB states that Charisma represents "a character's personal aura, self-image, ego, willngness to find out what people want and give it to them, and ability to recognise what she can and can't get out of people. A whiny demeanour,a me-first attitude or an inability to read body language or subtle hints are just a few traits that can give a character low Charisma."

The Attributes table defines 1 as "Weak", but it also defines it as the absolute lowest value that exists.

Charisma 1 indicates a character that is a pit of self-image negativity, selfishness, whinginess, totally blind/uncaring to the needs and desires of others and unable to communicate in any meaningful way on a social level.

Charmis 1 makes people taking a reflexive dislike to the character almost mandatory. There is no-one else in the world with less Charisma than this character. No one.

Who on earth would want to run with such people? Which contacts would develop anything but the most coldly professional relationship with such a runner? Who wouldn't turn such a thoroughly dislikable runner in for the merest hint of a reward? Who are the local police going to constantly pick on? When someone is scanning a crowd who is going to be the person standing out, the people who can blend into a social situation or the person everyone gives a wide berth to and no one ever looks at just in case he makes eye-contact first?

And that's not even exploring the "Oh man, I'm so rubbish I will never be able to make that climb/pick that lock/survive that gunfight/etc, etc." aspect of having such the lowest self-image possible.

Surely the one stat you can't afford to have at 1 is Charisma.

Thoughts?
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- Wynters   When did Charisma 1 become okay?   Mar 3 2008, 06:14 PM
- - Earlydawn   Shadowrunning is built around cold, professional r...   Mar 3 2008, 06:21 PM
- - ArkonC   Indeed, I'd say there are more socially unadap...   Mar 3 2008, 06:26 PM
|- - Shrike30   QUOTE (ArkonC @ Mar 3 2008, 10:26 AM) I d...   Mar 3 2008, 06:32 PM
- - Larme   QUOTE (Wynters @ Mar 3 2008, 01:14 PM) Th...   Mar 3 2008, 06:27 PM
|- - Wynters   QUOTE (Larme @ Mar 3 2008, 06:27 PM) Wron...   Mar 3 2008, 06:38 PM
- - martindv   QUOTE (Wynters @ Mar 3 2008, 02:14 PM) I...   Mar 3 2008, 06:28 PM
- - Shrike30   There's some truth to that, but at the same ti...   Mar 3 2008, 06:29 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Wynters @ Mar 3 2008, 01:14 PM) .....   Mar 3 2008, 06:37 PM
- - mfb   i guess i'm just vain about my characters--i...   Mar 3 2008, 06:37 PM
|- - martindv   QUOTE (mfb @ Mar 3 2008, 01:37 PM) i gues...   Mar 3 2008, 07:04 PM
- - sloejack   QUOTE (Wynters @ Mar 3 2008, 02:14 PM) Su...   Mar 3 2008, 06:37 PM
- - imperialus   because different groups look for different things...   Mar 3 2008, 06:37 PM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Wynters)Strawman. There is, as I clearly sa...   Mar 3 2008, 06:43 PM
|- - sloejack   QUOTE (mfb @ Mar 3 2008, 02:43 PM) that m...   Mar 3 2008, 06:45 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   You asked for people's thoughts (aka opinions)...   Mar 3 2008, 06:53 PM
|- - Wynters   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Mar 3 2008, 06:53 PM) ...   Mar 3 2008, 07:12 PM
|- - paws2sky   QUOTE (Wynters @ Mar 3 2008, 02:12 PM) Al...   Mar 3 2008, 07:33 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   The thing is, attributes are significantly less gr...   Mar 3 2008, 06:56 PM
- - Adarael   Charisma 1 is the lowest you can have a stat. It d...   Mar 3 2008, 07:00 PM
|- - the_dunner   QUOTE (Adarael @ Mar 3 2008, 02:00 PM) Th...   Mar 3 2008, 07:11 PM
|- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (the_dunner @ Mar 3 2008, 11:11 AM)...   Mar 3 2008, 07:23 PM
|- - Adarael   QUOTE (the_dunner @ Mar 3 2008, 11:11 AM)...   Mar 3 2008, 07:25 PM
|- - the_dunner   QUOTE (Adarael @ Mar 3 2008, 02:25 PM) I ...   Mar 3 2008, 07:54 PM
|- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (the_dunner @ Mar 3 2008, 11:54 AM)...   Mar 3 2008, 08:05 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (the_dunner @ Mar 3 2008, 02:54 PM)...   Mar 3 2008, 08:05 PM
|- - djinni   QUOTE (the_dunner @ Mar 3 2008, 03:54 PM)...   Mar 3 2008, 08:53 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Come to think of it, I would think it's possib...   Mar 3 2008, 07:02 PM
- - Aaron   When I'm running a game with a Charisma 1 char...   Mar 3 2008, 07:06 PM
- - Shrike30   2-4 is what I view as normal. 0-1 is the low rang...   Mar 3 2008, 07:08 PM
- - BlueMax   Setting Charisma to 1 can make a great deal of sen...   Mar 3 2008, 07:10 PM
- - paws2sky   QUOTE (Wynters @ Mar 3 2008, 01:14 PM) I...   Mar 3 2008, 07:12 PM
- - quentra   I've never been much of a rollplayer, so I...   Mar 3 2008, 07:23 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   QUOTE (Wynters)Although I would take this opportun...   Mar 3 2008, 07:25 PM
- - Earlydawn   This is a GM issue. It all revolves around what yo...   Mar 3 2008, 07:43 PM
- - sungun   i've met someone with a 0 charisma. she had s...   Mar 3 2008, 07:44 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Wynters)When did Charisma 1 become okay? S...   Mar 3 2008, 08:14 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Not sure we want to argue that Fortune; most of th...   Mar 3 2008, 08:21 PM
- - Larme   QUOTE (sloejack @ Mar 3 2008, 01:37 PM) W...   Mar 3 2008, 08:23 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Larme @ Mar 3 2008, 02:23 PM) That...   Mar 3 2008, 10:55 PM
- - Teulisch   personally, i think a good attribute mix would be ...   Mar 3 2008, 08:24 PM
- - Spike   One important point: You are not explicitely penal...   Mar 3 2008, 08:24 PM
- - Xel   I think that there is something inherently wrong w...   Mar 3 2008, 08:34 PM
- - Earlydawn   I really love the idea of changing things around f...   Mar 3 2008, 08:44 PM
- - Apathy   In my mind, Forest Gump was always a good example ...   Mar 3 2008, 08:56 PM
- - Stahlseele   i'm pretty sure i've posted this some minu...   Mar 3 2008, 09:53 PM
- - Fortune   As far as my experience is concerned, Strength is ...   Mar 3 2008, 09:55 PM
- - Kairo   Regardless of the semantics of the text, when I GM...   Mar 3 2008, 10:00 PM
|- - djinni   QUOTE (Kairo @ Mar 3 2008, 06:00 PM) Rega...   Mar 3 2008, 10:05 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (djinni @ Mar 3 2008, 04:05 PM) tha...   Mar 3 2008, 10:35 PM
- - Stahlseele   so the mage, technomance,r hacker, rigger or face ...   Mar 3 2008, 10:09 PM
|- - Feshy   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 3 2008, 05:09 PM)...   Mar 4 2008, 01:20 AM
- - Whipstitch   As far as I'm concerned there's no need to...   Mar 3 2008, 10:25 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Heh, you can say that again Fortune. Other than me...   Mar 3 2008, 10:34 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Mar 3 2008, 05:34 ...   Mar 3 2008, 10:36 PM
|- - cryptoknight   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Mar 3 2008, 04:34 ...   Mar 3 2008, 10:38 PM
||- - Adarael   QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Mar 3 2008, 02:38 P...   Mar 4 2008, 12:24 AM
||- - Fortune   QUOTE (Adarael @ Mar 4 2008, 11:24 AM) Ca...   Mar 4 2008, 12:35 AM
||- - Adarael   QUOTE (Fortune @ Mar 3 2008, 04:35 PM) Sy...   Mar 4 2008, 02:03 AM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Mar 3 2008, 04:34 ...   Mar 3 2008, 10:38 PM
- - Aaron   Or to change the armor encumbrance attribute from ...   Mar 3 2008, 10:42 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   There's a lot of things that didn't make s...   Mar 3 2008, 10:54 PM
- - Shrike30   I'd always read Body as the "endurance...   Mar 3 2008, 11:33 PM
- - Ryu   I tend to feel the pain once CHA drops below 3. CH...   Mar 3 2008, 11:44 PM
- - ikarius   The original question was when Charisma 1 became o...   Mar 3 2008, 11:45 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (ikarius @ Mar 4 2008, 10:45 AM) Th...   Mar 4 2008, 12:04 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   I still hold that D&D created Cha as the dump ...   Mar 4 2008, 12:16 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   Charisma one is just a somewhat socially dysfuncti...   Mar 4 2008, 12:32 AM
- - imperialus   One of the big problems that I see with Charisma i...   Mar 4 2008, 01:02 AM
- - Stahlseele   the whole social system in SR is fragged up beyond...   Mar 4 2008, 01:53 AM
- - Riley37   What happens if I suggest that the average charism...   Mar 4 2008, 02:04 AM
- - Whitelaughter   A charisma of 1 makes perfect sense for a shadowru...   Mar 4 2008, 02:04 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Wynters @ Mar 3 2008, 01:14 PM) I...   Mar 4 2008, 02:08 AM
- - Phantastik   What should a 1 Charisma mean to a Shadowrunner, p...   Mar 4 2008, 02:11 AM
- - WeaverMount   At my table we mostly free form everything but act...   Mar 4 2008, 02:27 AM
- - Riley37   "if i wanna intimidate or torture someone, wh...   Mar 4 2008, 02:30 AM
|- - martindv   QUOTE (Riley37 @ Mar 3 2008, 09:30 PM) ...   Mar 4 2008, 05:09 AM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (Riley37 @ Mar 4 2008, 02:30 AM) ...   Mar 4 2008, 04:19 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Mar 4 2008, 05...   Mar 4 2008, 04:27 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Mar 4 2008, 05...   Mar 4 2008, 04:49 PM
- - Rad   While I'm fairly new to the rules of Shadowrun...   Mar 4 2008, 03:21 AM
|- - paws2sky   QUOTE (Rad @ Mar 3 2008, 10:21 PM) he ask...   Mar 4 2008, 02:45 PM
- - Glyph   Characters with a Charisma of 1 are likely to suff...   Mar 4 2008, 04:14 AM
- - Adarael   QUOTE I will say this from the real-life perspecti...   Mar 4 2008, 04:21 AM
- - Fuchs   How ok low stats are depends on the GM. Strength ...   Mar 4 2008, 07:57 AM
- - KCKitsune   every single character I've ever made (thank G...   Mar 4 2008, 09:46 AM
- - Chrysalis   I am going to add my 2 nuyen at this point. I ha...   Mar 4 2008, 01:53 PM
- - W@geMage   Having a 1 in any stat in my games will bite the P...   Mar 4 2008, 02:00 PM
|- - It trolls!   QUOTE (W@geMage @ Mar 4 2008, 03:00 PM) H...   Mar 4 2008, 02:37 PM
- - Fortune   The Attribute only makes up half the equation thou...   Mar 4 2008, 02:38 PM
|- - paws2sky   QUOTE (Fortune @ Mar 4 2008, 09:38 AM) Th...   Mar 4 2008, 02:59 PM
- - Fuchs   Strength is important by itself for a number of ch...   Mar 4 2008, 02:45 PM
- - Fuchs   One could also rule charisma as the "unconsci...   Mar 4 2008, 03:07 PM
- - Larme   The tally is in: the twinks win this one Thou...   Mar 4 2008, 03:26 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   Here's my 2 cents on it: Charisma 1 means that...   Mar 4 2008, 03:31 PM
- - Apathy   I think it's kind of unclear at times exactly ...   Mar 4 2008, 03:52 PM
- - Teulisch   charisma 1 is NOT aspergers! if anything asper...   Mar 4 2008, 04:04 PM
- - Blade   Yes, but you should also keep in mind that the tro...   Mar 4 2008, 04:25 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE if i wanna intimidate or torture someone, wh...   Mar 4 2008, 05:00 PM
- - Fuchs   Unless you're dealing with someone who so dist...   Mar 4 2008, 05:33 PM
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