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post Mar 12 2008, 02:00 PM
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Over the course of four editions, a lot of Shadowrun's rules changed. Some of the rule changes had no effect on the flavor of the world (guns still shoot), other changes had profound effects, leading to retconning.

One example is astral space. Back when astral travellers couldn't go through living beings - like plants - ivy made a very cheap and effective barrier to astral scouts. Earth was the same, first not allowing anyone to pass through, then requiring hours to pass through 1 meter of earth. So, in my campaign, many corp facilities were underground, completely safe from astral intruders, or had quaint ivy growth over their walls because that was more cost-effective than wards (and more secure in someways as well).

With the rules changes, that changed as well, since it did not make econimical or otherwise sense anymore.

What examples do you have of "world-changing" retcons?
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- Fuchs   Retconning through the editions   Mar 12 2008, 02:00 PM
- - nezumi   Spell grounding was a surprisingly big one. Befor...   Mar 12 2008, 02:09 PM
- - Prime Mover   I think the passing through the earth was never fo...   Mar 12 2008, 02:16 PM
- - Fortune   Grounding Spells. Edit: Damn! Waaay too many ...   Mar 12 2008, 02:33 PM
- - hermit   Vehicles - all of a sudden, modding just didn...   Mar 12 2008, 02:40 PM
- - Caine Hazen   Did anyone mention Spell Grounding yet?   Mar 12 2008, 02:41 PM
- - Blade   The spirit change is because of the "Unified ...   Mar 12 2008, 02:42 PM
|- - Prime Mover   QUOTE (Blade @ Mar 12 2008, 09:42 AM) The...   Mar 12 2008, 02:47 PM
- - cryptoknight   Grounding Invisibility seems to have changed to m...   Mar 12 2008, 02:43 PM
- - paws2sky   I lament the elimination of Domains. I really like...   Mar 12 2008, 02:43 PM
- - cryptoknight   I miss Shamans automatically having a totem... ins...   Mar 12 2008, 02:49 PM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Mar 12 2008, 10:49 ...   Mar 13 2008, 03:41 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE The spirit change is because of the "Un...   Mar 12 2008, 02:50 PM
- - Magus   I do miss the ability to cast from Astral Space to...   Mar 12 2008, 03:27 PM
- - Elve   Summonig in Astral space...   Mar 12 2008, 04:23 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Ah, Magic, the one thing that completely changes f...   Mar 12 2008, 05:46 PM
- - mfb   running speeds! in SR3 (and probably 1-2), a Q...   Mar 12 2008, 05:58 PM
|- - nezumi   QUOTE (mfb @ Mar 12 2008, 01:58 PM) in SR...   Mar 12 2008, 06:08 PM
||- - DreadPirateKitten   QUOTE (nezumi @ Mar 12 2008, 02:08 PM) We...   Mar 16 2008, 10:42 AM
|- - Spike   QUOTE (mfb @ Mar 12 2008, 10:58 AM) runni...   Mar 12 2008, 06:23 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (mfb @ Mar 12 2008, 06:58 PM) runni...   Mar 17 2008, 03:39 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...Grounding, most definitely "dat mage, he b...   Mar 12 2008, 06:18 PM
- - nezumi   6 is the cap straight out of chargen. 9 is the ma...   Mar 12 2008, 06:29 PM
- - mfb   in SR3, 9 is the unaugmented human maximum. the cu...   Mar 12 2008, 06:33 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (mfb @ Mar 12 2008, 02:33 PM) in SR...   Mar 16 2008, 01:17 PM
|- - Particle_Beam   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Mar 16 2008, 02:17 PM...   Mar 16 2008, 01:59 PM
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- - swirler   the language I miss frag and chummer and hoop and ...   Mar 13 2008, 01:49 AM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (swirler @ Mar 12 2008, 08:49 PM) t...   Mar 13 2008, 03:20 AM
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- - It trolls!   Oh god, here I was reading the thread title, think...   Mar 13 2008, 02:12 AM
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- - Herald of Verjigorm   Then. Now.   Mar 14 2008, 02:50 AM
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- - Kagetenshi   I strongly remember having seen it in the English-...   Mar 16 2008, 11:49 PM


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