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Chrysalis
post Mar 27 2008, 11:33 AM
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Greets,

It is a bit of a moral dilemma for me and I am trying to figure it out. What makes a runner a professional killer? Is it that they take money for it, or is there a kind of steely professionalism that creates mental barriers so that you are not killing Smith, but the henchman that got in your way.

If the runners are hired to kill someone in a club. In one version of the scenario one of the character's seduces him so that he drinks from a poisoned cup, dying of what might be a stroke or heart attack (until the autopsy of course). In a second version he is lead to the back alley of the bar where the PCs wait and confront him and kill him and his bodyguard in an action movie style hale of bullets. In a third version the PCs corner him in the back alley and beat him to death with tire irons and fists.

It seems to me that the difference between killing and murder is that killing seems to involve James Bond like adversaries and methods and is murder involves plebian weapons with plebian motives.

Am I off base here? Is there a limit to what you consider to be acceptable violence? Is it really about seeing the sensible guns, but not seeing the senseless act?

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- Chrysalis   KIlling in the name of   Mar 27 2008, 11:33 AM
- - Fuchs   I don't see the difference in those examples, ...   Mar 27 2008, 11:36 AM
- - Ryu   Murder as opposed to Killing is a question of the ...   Mar 27 2008, 11:57 AM
- - Fleming   Once the death of another person is planned, delib...   Mar 27 2008, 12:03 PM
- - Critias   The capacity for such work -- and by this I even m...   Mar 27 2008, 12:04 PM
- - Fuchs   What may help in D&D, but maybe not in SR, is ...   Mar 27 2008, 12:17 PM
- - Chrysalis   I think you really do have to have a bit of psycho...   Mar 27 2008, 02:15 PM
- - Apathy   I saw a documentary once where they had a psychiat...   Mar 27 2008, 02:30 PM
- - knasser   Most evils begin with emotionally detaching onesel...   Mar 27 2008, 02:39 PM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 27 2008, 02:39 PM) I...   Mar 27 2008, 02:52 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Mar 27 2008, 02:5...   Mar 27 2008, 04:25 PM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 27 2008, 04:25 PM) P...   Mar 27 2008, 04:48 PM
||- - knasser   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Mar 27 2008, 04:4...   Mar 27 2008, 05:26 PM
||- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 27 2008, 05:26 PM) S...   Mar 27 2008, 06:59 PM
|||- - knasser   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Mar 27 2008, 06:5...   Mar 28 2008, 10:36 AM
||- - Crusher Bob   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 28 2008, 01:26 AM) [...   Mar 28 2008, 05:36 AM
||- - knasser   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Mar 28 2008, 05:36 A...   Mar 28 2008, 10:49 AM
||- - Crusher Bob   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 28 2008, 06:49 PM) I...   Mar 29 2008, 02:13 AM
||- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Mar 28 2008, 10:13 P...   Mar 29 2008, 07:08 AM
||- - knasser   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Mar 29 2008, 02:13 A...   Mar 29 2008, 09:06 AM
|- - Fuchs   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 27 2008, 05:25 PM) T...   Mar 27 2008, 04:53 PM
- - Critias   I imagine sociopathy's pretty common amongst S...   Mar 27 2008, 02:40 PM
- - john_doe   Although, in the D&D line of thinking...D...   Mar 27 2008, 02:42 PM
- - Siege   In D&D, typically you're killing non-human...   Mar 27 2008, 02:54 PM
- - Spike   I have a lower opinion of humanity in general, so ...   Mar 27 2008, 03:14 PM
- - KCKitsune   Actually, unless you're playing a "Evil...   Mar 27 2008, 03:57 PM
- - Wesley Street   I know what the legal definitions are but when Vor...   Mar 27 2008, 04:00 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   And there's always felony murder when you...   Mar 27 2008, 04:01 PM
- - Wesley Street   I think a way to wiggle around the corpsec securit...   Mar 27 2008, 04:07 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Wesley Street @ Mar 27 2008, 04:07...   Mar 27 2008, 04:31 PM
||- - Wesley Street   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 27 2008, 12:31 PM) V...   Mar 27 2008, 07:33 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Wesley Street @ Mar 27 2008, 11:07...   Mar 27 2008, 04:39 PM
- - Critias   Which is why some GMs go out of their way to give ...   Mar 27 2008, 04:10 PM
- - kzt   No, it's murder. Like most criminals, you can...   Mar 27 2008, 04:11 PM
|- - Wesley Street   QUOTE (kzt @ Mar 27 2008, 12:11 PM) No, i...   Mar 27 2008, 07:41 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Wesley Street @ Mar 27 2008, 01:41...   Mar 28 2008, 03:59 AM
|- - Wesley Street   QUOTE (kzt @ Mar 27 2008, 10:59 PM) If yo...   Mar 28 2008, 02:10 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   I'd also say that murder is murder. Even if it...   Mar 27 2008, 04:40 PM
|- - b1ffov3rfl0w   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Mar 27 2008, 11:4...   Mar 28 2008, 01:39 AM
- - ArkonC   I think the idea that all shadowrunners are mental...   Mar 27 2008, 04:53 PM
- - Critias   Note, at no point did I say all Shadowrunners. I ...   Mar 27 2008, 05:04 PM
- - Slymoon   Ah yes, the question of Morality: http://en.wikip...   Mar 27 2008, 05:15 PM
- - Drogos   This also begs the question of how romanticized ar...   Mar 27 2008, 05:18 PM
- - Critias   Of course a security guard would be "justifie...   Mar 27 2008, 05:19 PM
|- - Spike   QUOTE (Critias @ Mar 27 2008, 09:19 AM) O...   Mar 27 2008, 05:30 PM
||- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Spike @ Mar 27 2008, 12:30 PM) Now...   Mar 28 2008, 05:18 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Critias @ Mar 27 2008, 05:19 PM) O...   Mar 27 2008, 05:30 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 27 2008, 01:30 PM) W...   Mar 27 2008, 05:42 PM
|- - Arethusa   QUOTE (Critias @ Mar 27 2008, 01:42 PM) Q...   Mar 27 2008, 08:21 PM
- - Fuchs   Given the acceptance of gladiatorial games and sim...   Mar 27 2008, 05:26 PM
- - WhiteWolf   QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Mar 27 2008, 06:33 AM)...   Mar 27 2008, 06:00 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   You guys can go 'round and 'round, but it...   Mar 27 2008, 06:07 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Mar 28 2008, 05:0...   Mar 27 2008, 06:54 PM
- - Fix-it   the can is open... the worms are everywhere   Mar 27 2008, 06:31 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE ("Critas")The capacity for such wo...   Mar 27 2008, 07:02 PM
|- - Apathy   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 27 2008, 02:02 PM) QU...   Mar 27 2008, 10:25 PM
- - Fortune   Being able to exhibit extreme and sudden violence ...   Mar 27 2008, 07:22 PM
|- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Fortune @ Mar 27 2008, 02:22 PM) B...   Mar 27 2008, 07:25 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Being able to exhibit extreme and sudden vio...   Mar 27 2008, 07:45 PM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 27 2008, 02:45 PM) So...   Mar 27 2008, 10:58 PM
- - Adarael   I think some of you are missing a very important p...   Mar 28 2008, 01:35 AM
- - DreadPirateKitten   I'd just like to say I play in a game with Chr...   Mar 28 2008, 04:13 AM
- - Pyritefoolsgold   If we're claiming "murder" to be ...   Mar 28 2008, 09:03 AM
- - Adarael   Exactly. And that's a discussion for somewhere...   Mar 28 2008, 09:17 AM
- - Critias   In order to agree that a person was killed for ...   Mar 28 2008, 11:01 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Critias @ Mar 28 2008, 11:01 AM) I...   Mar 28 2008, 11:21 AM
- - Blade   Yes killing is bad, even if it's an objective ...   Mar 28 2008, 11:29 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Blade @ Mar 28 2008, 11:29 AM) But...   Mar 28 2008, 12:17 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE Well it's difficult to define, but I...   Mar 28 2008, 12:44 PM
- - samuelbeckett   All of the terms that are being bandied about (mur...   Mar 28 2008, 12:29 PM
- - Critias   Why would they hand him over to the local governme...   Mar 28 2008, 04:19 PM
|- - ArkonC   QUOTE (Critias @ Mar 28 2008, 05:19 PM) W...   Mar 28 2008, 04:23 PM
|- - Wesley Street   QUOTE (ArkonC @ Mar 28 2008, 12:23 PM) IF...   Mar 28 2008, 08:38 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   Murder is just killing without social sanctioning....   Mar 28 2008, 06:28 PM
- - kzt   It's why "extraterritorial" corps sh...   Mar 28 2008, 11:51 PM
- - Arethusa   Eh... you can make a reasonable case for Yamamoto....   Mar 29 2008, 02:45 AM


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