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> Ok, who has to play the mage this time?, why magical support is hard to find
Yum Donuts
post Dec 10 2003, 09:20 PM
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I just came to the forums to play some SR, and it seems like everyone needed magical support in their groups, and I thought "well I CAN play it, but I'd rather play something else." then I realized that's probably what everyone else had thought.
so my question is: why do people prefer not to play mages.

If I had to guess, I'd say it's because mages are at their weakest when they're first made. they have to put high points into magic and resources to buy spell points. this leaves them with lessened atributes and skills, as well as a barely sufficient arsenal of spells.
Now make a gunbunny, or a tank, or a physad, or a decker, or a rigger. you can make them into a powerhouse right at chargen.
Mages take alot of karma to get going, and so you don't want to play a mage if you're only going to do a one-shot run.
Many GMs make this problem worse by not allowing any change over between cash and karma. lets say the group gets 50,000 :nuyen: and 8 karma each (a big run). the Samies go for getting new cyber and some custom guns, and maybe a skill up. mages get a spell, and then... sit on 50,000. sure they could buy a couple elementals (thousands of nuyen which will have no lasting effect, unlike the sammie's new cyber). they could buy a focus, but they have no karma to bind it. They don't need much gear, so they sit on the money, or find ways to burn it uselessly.
So while everyone else is increasing their gear and going up, the mage is barely able to keep up.

Now of course, the mage keeps going up long after the sammie and the decker plateau out, but really, how many people know when they go into a game that they're going to be able to keep playing that long?

Just a thought
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- Yum Donuts   Ok, who has to play the mage this time?   Dec 10 2003, 09:20 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Yum Donuts)so my question is: why do people...   Dec 10 2003, 09:33 PM
- - Shinobi Killfist   well you'll always get the people who just lik...   Dec 10 2003, 09:33 PM
- - Sphynx   I'm with Cray on this, always a ton of magic u...   Dec 10 2003, 09:43 PM
- - Reaver   QUOTE (Sphynx) I'm with Cray on this, always a...   Dec 10 2003, 09:49 PM
- - Kurukami   I've found quite the opposite in the group tha...   Dec 10 2003, 10:35 PM
- - Casazil   I have to go with everyone else magic seems to be ...   Dec 10 2003, 10:46 PM
- - BitBasher   Ditto everyone else, everyone is magically active ...   Dec 11 2003, 01:46 AM
- - 6thDragon   It completely depends on the player. In my experi...   Dec 11 2003, 02:02 AM
- - SykoBear   I tend to agree with the majority of posters on th...   Dec 11 2003, 02:37 AM
- - Yum Donuts   Well for the record, I wasn't counting Adepts ...   Dec 11 2003, 03:13 AM
- - Dim Sum   Personally, I tend towards mundane characters even...   Dec 11 2003, 03:43 AM
- - Kagetenshi   I like to play a mundane, because their growth pot...   Dec 11 2003, 04:09 AM
- - Dim Sum   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) I like to play a mundane, becau...   Dec 11 2003, 04:35 AM
- - Tanka   I like to play mundanes, because they aren't k...   Dec 11 2003, 04:59 AM
- - bwdemon   I think it's kind of interesting how people he...   Dec 11 2003, 05:47 AM
- - Dende   I agree with you BW...Sdaly alot of people don...   Dec 11 2003, 03:45 PM
- - Lich   One thing people really seem to forget is that Mag...   Dec 11 2003, 03:46 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Lich) One thing people really seem to forge...   Dec 11 2003, 04:01 PM
- - Birdy   QUOTE (Sphynx) I'm with Cray on this, always a...   Dec 11 2003, 04:34 PM
- - RangerJoe   One trick to getting players to play magically act...   Dec 11 2003, 04:59 PM
- - BitBasher   How do you get line of sight to all their teeth at...   Dec 11 2003, 05:07 PM
- - RangerJoe   Most scurvy cyber-pirates are mouth-breathers, so ...   Dec 11 2003, 05:10 PM
- - RangerJoe   That, or a quick control-emotion spell (happy) to ...   Dec 11 2003, 05:10 PM
- - CoalHeart   Hey I resemble that remark   Dec 11 2003, 05:11 PM
- - Zeittotschlager   Personally, I'm not too fond of the Shadowrun ...   Dec 12 2003, 05:04 PM
- - bwdemon   Zeittotschlager: I think you've got it wrong ...   Dec 12 2003, 06:24 PM
- - Zeittotschlager   bwdemon, I suppose you're right, but I'm r...   Dec 12 2003, 06:46 PM
- - Utahraptor   Ehh, personnally I don't play many mages. The ...   Dec 12 2003, 08:14 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Says the person who thinks nothing of playing Rigg...   Dec 12 2003, 08:20 PM
- - Casazil   QUOTE (bwdemon) I put Resources pretty low, becaus...   Dec 12 2003, 10:10 PM
- - gknoy   QUOTE (Zeittotschlager)And what is up with Astral ...   Dec 12 2003, 11:57 PM
- - Zeittotschlager   I started a thread on that and there are some good...   Dec 13 2003, 12:02 AM


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