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Prospero
post Dec 11 2003, 12:02 PM
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So... this might be a volatile topic, but, hey, why not? What do you consider power gaming? What do you consider munchkinism? Are these things ever okay? For that matter, what is a "real roleplayer"?

The Character Creation system thread got me thinking about this. Yum Donuts (I believe... sorry if I'm wrong and sorry if I misrepresented what you said) had a really good distinction between the two (which I'd never thought about before): power gaming is using the numbers to make a character as good as possible. Munchkinism is doing that (perhaps on an even worse level) and then no roleplaying at all tacked on as an added bonus.

So what do people out there think about this stuff?

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- Prospero   Power Gaming   Dec 11 2003, 12:02 PM
- - Yum Donuts   That's almost exactly what I meant. I am a ru...   Dec 11 2003, 12:22 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Prospero)So... this might be a volatile top...   Dec 11 2003, 01:42 PM
- - Traks   Looke like lately we have stumbled upon a horde of...   Dec 11 2003, 01:52 PM
- - Tziluthi   I've always seen the difference between power-...   Dec 11 2003, 02:58 PM
- - Yum Donuts   QUOTE (Tziluthi) I've always seen the differen...   Dec 11 2003, 03:42 PM
- - Logo   What pisses me off is not getting the most for you...   Dec 11 2003, 03:45 PM
- - Reaver   Power gaming is only fun (IMHO) if you have starte...   Dec 11 2003, 04:03 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   All three of these are completely different things...   Dec 11 2003, 04:07 PM
- - Dende   Holy shit some of you seem confused... Doc I love...   Dec 11 2003, 04:25 PM
- - Reaver   QUOTE (Dende) Holy shit some of you seem confused....   Dec 11 2003, 04:48 PM
- - CoalHeart   It's not about powergaming or munchinining. It...   Dec 11 2003, 05:06 PM
- - BitBasher   I also see min-maxing and munchkinizing as a funct...   Dec 11 2003, 05:12 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I completely disagree. A munchkin or powergamer c...   Dec 11 2003, 05:23 PM
- - Lilt   I agree with Dr Funk's definitions. The bounda...   Dec 11 2003, 05:34 PM
- - Dende   Lilt and Dr Funk, I am sorry, but I have to totall...   Dec 11 2003, 05:57 PM
- - Voorhees   What I don't get, is why everyone hates powerf...   Dec 11 2003, 06:03 PM
- - Tanka   QUOTE (Voorhees) What I don't get, is why ever...   Dec 11 2003, 06:11 PM
- - Jason Farlander   I've always thought of munchkinism as more of ...   Dec 11 2003, 06:11 PM
- - bwdemon   Powergaming: Extreme effectiveness within the boun...   Dec 11 2003, 06:22 PM
- - Tanka   OK, the most horrible munchkinism, I have to admit...   Dec 11 2003, 06:23 PM
- - Lilt   Dende: Disagreeing is fine. I'd just suggest t...   Dec 11 2003, 06:37 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Exactly. The terms are just used to describe cert...   Dec 11 2003, 06:42 PM
- - Sahandrian   I think munchkin can be summed up in a single quot...   Dec 11 2003, 06:48 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   The fact that he used the ^_^ emoticon is enough f...   Dec 11 2003, 06:49 PM
- - Dende   Lilt, I would call a person who made rules a big h...   Dec 11 2003, 08:24 PM
- - Sphynx   How come we don't have a term for people who s...   Dec 11 2003, 10:00 PM
- - Siege   We do have a term -- "Sphynx's Fan Club...   Dec 11 2003, 10:08 PM
- - Sphynx   Nah, we don't have a term cause we're busy...   Dec 11 2003, 10:24 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   You mean like in that last post of yours?   Dec 11 2003, 10:38 PM
- - gknoy   QUOTE (Yum Donuts) Maxing out the perfect pistol f...   Dec 11 2003, 10:59 PM
- - mfb   or you're an adept, and you've got all thi...   Dec 11 2003, 11:02 PM
- - Tanka   QUOTE (mfb) or you're an adept, and you've...   Dec 11 2003, 11:08 PM
- - gknoy   QUOTE (mfb) or you're an adept, and you've...   Dec 11 2003, 11:12 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) The fact that he used t...   Dec 11 2003, 11:20 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Using the Cannon Companion firearm creation rules ...   Dec 11 2003, 11:21 PM
- - 3Threes   munchkin = somebody who plays different than YOU a...   Dec 12 2003, 12:00 AM
- - Moonstone Spider   To some degree every Shadowrun character is powerg...   Dec 12 2003, 12:07 AM
- - Tanka   At one point I wanted to play a little kid who tho...   Dec 12 2003, 12:09 AM
- - toturi   Here we go again... Is there a way to link to all...   Dec 12 2003, 01:09 AM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (toturi)Everyone has his or her definations ...   Dec 12 2003, 02:49 AM
- - Rattler   Well, QUOTE Munchkin: A teenage-or-younger micro ...   Dec 12 2003, 03:33 AM
- - Diesel   I'm roleplaying if I brag to my friends about ...   Dec 12 2003, 08:11 AM
- - Glyph   I think Moonstone Spider got it dead on. A lot of...   Dec 12 2003, 08:25 AM
- - Lilt   QUOTE (Glyph)the GM can be the worst munchkin of a...   Dec 12 2003, 12:42 PM
- - nezumi   I have to agree with 3threes. His definitions are...   Dec 12 2003, 05:22 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE ...got vampire fangs because he thought they...   Dec 12 2003, 05:28 PM
- - nezumi   No, I didn't minimax. I paid more than those ...   Dec 12 2003, 07:00 PM
- - Mr.Platinum   Munchkin?? Sorry but there is no way a munchkin ca...   Dec 12 2003, 08:34 PM
- - Kurukami   I'd love to see you try that with the behemoth...   Dec 12 2003, 08:40 PM
- - Lilt   I find the way to take melee fighters down a notch...   Dec 12 2003, 10:39 PM
- - nezumi   I think the easiest way to take down a melee chara...   Dec 13 2003, 04:10 AM
- - Lilt   I don't think the task here is to take down th...   Dec 13 2003, 04:43 AM
- - Sphynx   Tell you the fastest way to encourage Munchkinism ...   Dec 13 2003, 10:19 AM
- - Aesir   I agree that GM´s are often to blame. It is natura...   Dec 13 2003, 02:17 PM
- - Siege   Some of it is the system itself -- how often have ...   Dec 13 2003, 03:14 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Siege) Some of it is the system itself -- h...   Dec 13 2003, 03:19 PM
- - Sahandrian   Yeah, 3 and 4 are fine for most things, aside from...   Dec 13 2003, 03:57 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Sphynx)Tell you the fastest way to encourag...   Dec 13 2003, 05:34 PM
- - Yum Donuts   QUOTE (Jason Farlander) GM's do NOT create mun...   Dec 13 2003, 10:00 PM
- - Jason Farlander   A GM can convince their players, especially newbie...   Dec 13 2003, 10:28 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (nezumi) I think the easiest way to take dow...   Dec 14 2003, 12:55 AM


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