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hyzmarca
post Jun 13 2008, 07:52 PM
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It is rare to see a Shadowrunner driving down the street in a tank for some reason. Arsenal doesn't even have any main battle tanks for some reason. Yet, there is a real civilian market for surplus tanks and it is very easy to purchase one.

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm

All of these tanks are old, of course. The Chieftian is the most advanced MBT of the 60s and the 70s, but it is obsolete now. Its armor is unlikely to stand up to any modern anti-tank weapons, but it works very well against small arms and the anti-tank weapons of its generation. And you can apparently buy one on the internet for $45,000 (or could, both have been sold).

Demilitarized tanks shouldn't be terribly common, but they should be available in the civilian marketplace for anyone with the desire and a relatively modest sum of money compared to their initial cost. Thje M1A1 Abrams is of sufficient age to have been retired by 2070 and that means that they will be available on the civilian market for the cost of a new car. The guns would have been removed and replaced with non-functioning display pieces or simply have been rendered unfireable, but that can be remedied by a character with an weapons shop or with the appropriate contacts.

For some reason, Arsenal doesn't have any tanks, new or old. But I must ask the question of what would be a reasonable armor rating for a used MBT circa 1992?
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- hyzmarca   Used Tanks   Jun 13 2008, 07:52 PM
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|- - Caine Hazen   QUOTE (JeffSz @ Jun 13 2008, 03:28 PM) In...   Jun 13 2008, 10:51 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (JeffSz @ Jun 13 2008, 09:28 PM) I ...   Jun 14 2008, 12:37 PM
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|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Jun 13 2008, 06:19 ...   Jun 14 2008, 12:12 AM
|- - JeffSz   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Jun 13 2008, 06:19 ...   Jun 15 2008, 03:22 PM
- - AngelisStorm   While I completely agree that they are perfect for...   Jun 14 2008, 12:24 AM
|- - lunchbox311   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Jun 13 2008, 05:24 ...   Jun 16 2008, 04:18 AM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Jun 13 2008, 07:24 ...   Jun 16 2008, 06:48 PM
- - CanRay   Now, and APC or Infantry Fighting Vehicle, I can s...   Jun 14 2008, 12:29 AM
- - WearzManySkins   It is not illegal to own a armored vehicle in the ...   Jun 14 2008, 12:51 AM
- - CanRay   The Internet... And the TV! I remember seein...   Jun 14 2008, 02:07 AM
- - Snow_Fox   The problem with surplus tanks is that you'd h...   Jun 14 2008, 02:10 AM
|- - WearzManySkins   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jun 13 2008, 08:10 PM) ...   Jun 14 2008, 04:06 AM
- - CanRay   Again, T-34s are probably still around. And they...   Jun 14 2008, 02:23 AM
- - Snow_Fox   sure same generation tech as the Sherman. same ide...   Jun 14 2008, 02:37 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Most of the stuff they are selling is just light a...   Jun 14 2008, 10:59 AM
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- - CanRay   Well, I'll just have to whip something up for ...   Jun 14 2008, 12:53 PM
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