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Nightwalker450
post Jun 27 2008, 04:18 AM
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I love my Technomancer, but I really wish I had more Complex Forms. Unfortunately its unlikely that I'll ever get any more than what I started with, even though my Technomancer now has almost 120 karma going for him.

At creation I'm fine with what its costing me, I can get a well rounded set, and thread some of the less urgent ones until I get them.

Currently Complex forms cost 2 points for the first rank, and karma equal to each new rating.
So the cost for a new complex form from scratch is:
rating 1 = 2 karma
rating 2 = 4 karma
rating 3 = 7 karma
rating 4 = 11 karma
rating 5 = 16 karma
rating 6 = 22 karma

So if you take 1 karma = 1 BP = 5,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) you get 110,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) for a 6,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) rating 6 program.
Interesting note that 110,000 karma is pretty close to what it costs a hacker to get all programs at rating 6 during creation.
There are currently 27 complex forms, assuming you start with 10 just to get the other 17 up to rating 3 will cost you 119 karma.
Anything rating 4 or below your likely to thread anyways since its not going to stand up very well when its needed, which will impose the -2 to everything else you might possibly do.

The new "Treat Complex Forms as Spells" optional rule, doesn't help fix this, it just changes the issue.
Now your Technomancer can ONLY use about 1/3 of the total programs at creation (no threading from scratch), and every time they want to use their exploit program they're going to have to resist 6 Stun from fading. It usually takes me 2 or 3 passes to hack something on the fly. So this doesn't work either.

So here's what I'm thinking for a house rule.
2 karma for level 1
1 karma per level up to 3
2 karma per level up to 6
5 karma for beyond 6

This breaks down to
rating 1 = 2 karma
rating 2 = 3 karma
rating 3 = 4 karma
rating 4 = 6 karma
rating 5 = 8 karma
rating 6 = 10 karma
rating 7 = 15 karma
rating 8 = 20 karma
...

Its not as simple as before, but it cuts the price in half for a rating 6 complex form.
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- Nightwalker450   Complex Forms   Jun 27 2008, 04:18 AM
- - Dr Funfrock   My rule has been pretty simple for a while now: T...   Jun 27 2008, 05:45 AM
- - Jaid   strictly speaking, unless/until it's clarified...   Jun 27 2008, 05:21 PM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 27 2008, 12:21 PM) stri...   Jun 27 2008, 06:12 PM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 27 2008, 01:21 PM) stri...   Jun 27 2008, 06:12 PM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 27 2008, 01:12 P...   Jun 27 2008, 06:46 PM
- - Dr Funfrock   Yeah, it's a rule that has some problems. I...   Jun 27 2008, 06:53 PM
- - Blog   I dont have unwired yet; But my GM has been houser...   Jun 27 2008, 10:27 PM
- - Dashifen   What Blog has described is something that I've...   Jun 27 2008, 11:03 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Dashifen @ Jun 27 2008, 06:03 PM) ...   Jun 28 2008, 07:07 AM
|- - Dashifen   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 28 2008, 02:07...   Jun 28 2008, 11:42 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Dashifen @ Jun 28 2008, 06:42 AM) ...   Jun 28 2008, 01:11 PM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 28 2008, 08:11...   Jun 28 2008, 02:45 PM
|- - Iduno   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 28 2008, 08:11...   Jun 29 2008, 02:21 PM
- - Blog   Its worked out really well for me. I have a refer...   Jun 28 2008, 12:58 AM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Blog @ Jun 28 2008, 01:58 AM) Side...   Jun 28 2008, 01:46 AM
- - PlatonicPimp   I want threading that works. I mean, increasing th...   Jun 28 2008, 02:08 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (PlatonicPimp @ Jun 27 2008, 10:08 ...   Jun 28 2008, 03:47 AM
- - Rapier   Hi everyone, I'm a GM from Spain so i have to...   Jun 28 2008, 07:18 AM
|- - Dashifen   QUOTE (Rapier @ Jun 28 2008, 02:18 AM) [....   Jun 28 2008, 11:46 AM
- - Grimagor   Hello Everybody! I'm a Shadowrun player s...   Jun 29 2008, 02:24 PM
- - Jaid   all i'm gonna say: it looks like you folks hav...   Jun 29 2008, 04:01 PM
|- - Grimagor   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 29 2008, 05:01 PM) stop...   Jun 29 2008, 04:44 PM
- - Tiger Eyes   Okay, I play a technomancer (technoshaman now with...   Jun 29 2008, 07:20 PM
|- - Grimagor   QUOTE (Tiger Eyes @ Jun 29 2008, 07:20 PM...   Jun 30 2008, 02:50 PM
|- - Tiger Eyes   QUOTE (Grimagor @ Jun 30 2008, 10:50 AM) ...   Jun 30 2008, 04:21 PM
- - PlatonicPimp   if it is fast hacking you desire, I suggest the ec...   Jun 30 2008, 05:01 AM
- - Nightwalker450   The complex form adjusts I'm going to put on h...   Jun 30 2008, 01:55 PM
- - Grimagor   But remenber if you use biowire for emulate a skil...   Jun 30 2008, 02:38 PM
- - Jaid   just a note, you can have registered sprites equal...   Jun 30 2008, 05:29 PM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 30 2008, 12:29 PM) just...   Jun 30 2008, 05:59 PM
- - Nightwalker450   Our GM (or mainly my own interpretation since I do...   Jun 30 2008, 06:12 PM
- - Grimagor   Totally agreed with Nightwalker. And there is mor...   Jun 30 2008, 07:11 PM
- - Jaid   wi-fi inhibiting wallpaper merely blocks signals f...   Jul 1 2008, 12:26 AM
|- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 30 2008, 07:26 PM) wi-f...   Jul 1 2008, 04:47 AM
- - Rapier   As my knowledge stands in wireless devices, in a w...   Jul 1 2008, 06:48 AM
- - Tiger Eyes   A bound sprite (or spirit) is a drain on you ...   Jul 1 2008, 02:34 PM
- - Rapier   About the satelite link, think that's some kin...   Jul 1 2008, 04:59 PM


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