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FrankTrollman
post Jun 27 2008, 10:47 PM
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So I'm unhappy with Unwired. I didn't want to be, but I am. Severely. The Matrix rules presented in the core book were severely jacked up on several levels, and while I sincerely hoped that these core problems would be addressed in Unwired, they were not. Agent Smith, Drop Out, and Hackastack are not only still present at the conclusion of the book, they are that much worse because at the end of the day things that were at least extremely vague and arguable in the original BBB are now completely clear in addition to being broken.

The Matrix Topology and Security sections are most to blame, they paint a picture of adversarial computing which while not necessarily unrealistic, is completely at odds with anything remotely playable. Attackers can increase their computational army arbitrarily, stopping only when they reach the limits of personal satisfaction or funding. Defenders can simply choose to arrange their computational architecture in a manner that their data stores are unhackable without social engineering or a distinct personal failure on the part of the data guardians. This is a state of affairs that is highly analogous to current computational affairs, but it is not a state of affairs which is in any way conducive to having hacker characters who mean anything at all. Worse, the system calls for people to make dozens or hundreds of die rolls on a continuous basis to actually play out anything. The Matrix Perception rules alone would take so long to resolve as to grind any actual game to a complete stand still. Actually playing the rules as written in their entirety is likely impossible - a state of affairs which is all too reasonable considering that at least two of the primary authors have separately confided that they never read the completed manuscript.

I have reservations ranging from minor to severe with every chapter, but rather than belabor every minor point of contention I am going to get right to the point: Unwired is not what I hoped for and I don't know how much of it I can salvage. I suspect the answer is "some of the flavor text." And rather than simply harp on every minor detail that I don't like I am going to expand upon what I already have. I am going to make a second generation of my own Matrix house rules. Probably the completed version will be about twice the length and have a lot more examples. And I'm taking requests as to what people want it to include.

Already on the counter: essentially unbreakable encryption. Yes, I think I've figured out a way to include "realistic" encryption and still have on the fly hacking work. It's complicated, I'll draw you a diagram. If people want me to cover other things, I'm willing to listen.

-Frank
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- FrankTrollman   Unwired: Not Happy   Jun 27 2008, 10:47 PM
- - Daier Mune   Frank's unhappy about the Matrix rules? in Sh...   Jun 27 2008, 10:54 PM
- - Backgammon   I haven't read your house rules, so I don...   Jun 27 2008, 10:56 PM
|- - Synner667   QUOTE (Backgammon @ Jun 27 2008, 11:56 PM...   Jun 27 2008, 11:01 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Backgammon @ Jun 27 2008, 04:56 PM...   Jun 29 2008, 11:56 PM
- - Synner667   But, dear chap, there's always the dilemma of ...   Jun 27 2008, 10:58 PM
- - Iracundus   I'd actually like more exploration of Resonanc...   Jun 28 2008, 12:27 AM
- - PlatonicPimp   I'm generally happy with the matrix rules, bei...   Jun 28 2008, 12:39 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   On the subject of Agent Smith QUOTE (Synner ...   Jun 28 2008, 12:53 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jun 27 2008, 07:53...   Jun 28 2008, 06:29 AM
- - Gelare   Your matrix rules were a bit far out there for my ...   Jun 28 2008, 01:05 AM
|- - Cheops   QUOTE (Gelare @ Jun 28 2008, 01:05 AM) Yo...   Jun 28 2008, 01:06 AM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Gelare @ Jun 27 2008, 06:05 PM) Ri...   Jun 28 2008, 01:19 AM
- - masterofm   I thought it would be nice to apply some damage co...   Jun 28 2008, 01:40 AM
- - KCKitsune   What I want to know is if a Techonomancer can make...   Jun 28 2008, 03:29 AM
- - Nightwalker450   QUOTE (PlatonicPimp @ Jun 27 2008, 07:39 ...   Jun 28 2008, 05:00 AM
- - Synner   Another 10 minute break from editing for some clar...   Jun 28 2008, 11:45 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Synner @ Jun 28 2008, 04:45 AM) Th...   Jun 29 2008, 08:07 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Synner, it absolutely does not matter what Access ...   Jun 28 2008, 12:50 PM
|- - Synner   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 28 2008, 01:50...   Jun 28 2008, 11:09 PM
- - KCKitsune   Synner, I would like to know why Technomancers can...   Jun 28 2008, 01:18 PM
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|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jun 28 2008, 01...   Jun 28 2008, 10:26 PM
- - MaxHunter   I never really expected you to be happy with that ...   Jun 28 2008, 01:36 PM
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||- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Larme @ Jun 28 2008, 01:24 PM) May...   Jun 28 2008, 07:53 PM
|- - Synner667   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Jun 28 2008, 05...   Jun 28 2008, 07:44 PM
- - MaxHunter   @knasser: So you say it is a matter of style mor...   Jun 28 2008, 03:06 PM
- - FrankTrollman   I'll agree with you on some of that demonseed,...   Jun 28 2008, 05:18 PM
- - dionysus   Could someone point me to a description of "D...   Jun 29 2008, 03:52 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (dionysus @ Jun 28 2008, 11:52 PM) ...   Jun 29 2008, 04:35 AM
- - Crusher Bob   One of the 'game' requirements of the matr...   Jun 29 2008, 05:01 AM
|- - dionysus   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Jun 29 2008, 01:01 A...   Jun 29 2008, 05:26 AM
|- - Sombranox   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Jun 29 2008, 01:01 A...   Jun 29 2008, 05:55 AM
- - Earlydawn   Yeah, I completely agree. 4th Edition Matrix draws...   Jun 29 2008, 05:48 AM
- - FrankTrollman   Synner: People can and will carry multiple commlin...   Jun 29 2008, 06:14 AM
|- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 29 2008, 02:14...   Jun 29 2008, 08:12 AM
|- - Synner   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 29 2008, 07:14...   Jun 29 2008, 11:58 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   Can you explictly define how AR works, expecially ...   Jun 29 2008, 07:16 AM
- - Crank   On Hackastack: Reading complaints about this has m...   Jun 29 2008, 08:19 AM
|- - tsuyoshikentsu   QUOTE (Crank @ Jun 29 2008, 01:19 AM) GM ...   Jun 29 2008, 08:40 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Crank @ Jun 29 2008, 04:19 AM) On ...   Jun 29 2008, 08:56 AM
- - Crusher Bob   To be a credible melee combatant in SR4, you need ...   Jun 29 2008, 08:42 AM
|- - Synner667   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Jun 29 2008, 09:42 A...   Jun 29 2008, 09:01 AM
- - FrankTrollman   Congratulations Crank, I think you managed to comb...   Jun 29 2008, 08:49 AM
- - Spoonfunk   Instead of spending months on end working on alter...   Jun 29 2008, 08:53 AM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Spoonfunk @ Jun 29 2008, 09:53 AM)...   Jun 29 2008, 09:31 AM
- - Blade   QUOTE ("Frank")What's the problem? I...   Jun 29 2008, 09:49 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Synner667)And, unfortunately, that is a rid...   Jun 29 2008, 11:00 AM
|- - Synner667   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 29 2008, 12:00...   Jun 29 2008, 11:48 AM
- - Ryu   - Dropout never concerned me, it should be a valid...   Jun 29 2008, 11:09 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   How does the 'persona autonomous agent thing...   Jun 29 2008, 01:01 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Synner)And it relates to that leap you...   Jun 29 2008, 01:42 PM
|- - Ryu   Side question, as you are having a discussion abou...   Jun 29 2008, 04:53 PM
- - Synner   You're looking at the equation from the wrong ...   Jun 29 2008, 02:21 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   Synner I actually mean persona's loaded with a...   Jun 29 2008, 03:25 PM
- - Cheops   Persona /= Agent. Therefore you can't issue c...   Jun 29 2008, 04:45 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Cheops)According to BBB, an agent that does...   Jun 29 2008, 04:56 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 29 2008, 06:56...   Jun 29 2008, 05:36 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 29 2008, 07:56...   Jun 29 2008, 06:43 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 29 2008, 10:56...   Jun 30 2008, 12:11 AM
|- - WearzManySkins   QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 29 2008, 06:11 PM) Sor...   Jun 30 2008, 12:33 AM
- - Synner   I really wish I had the time to break that down bu...   Jun 29 2008, 05:01 PM
- - Gelare   I don't mean to drag out the Agent Smith discu...   Jun 29 2008, 05:19 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Gelare @ Jun 29 2008, 07:19 PM) I ...   Jun 29 2008, 05:50 PM
|- - Gelare   QUOTE (Ryu @ Jun 29 2008, 12:50 PM) Errat...   Jun 29 2008, 07:14 PM
- - Larme   Well, I think it's well settled: if you misund...   Jun 29 2008, 06:50 PM
- - WearzManySkins   Well the Errata promises from the Devs are many an...   Jun 29 2008, 07:18 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Gelare)since, ultimately, Synner is going t...   Jun 29 2008, 08:21 PM
- - Kerris   *posts in a thread where Frank argues with everybo...   Jun 29 2008, 08:59 PM
- - Ryu   Yeah, by all means. If you have comments on someth...   Jun 29 2008, 09:16 PM
- - MaxHunter   Good luck Frank. (no sarcasm)   Jun 29 2008, 10:11 PM
- - WearzManySkins   @Frank Trollman For those of us who do not know wh...   Jun 29 2008, 11:18 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Jun 29 2008, 07:1...   Jun 29 2008, 11:45 PM
- - masterofm   It was supposed to be on this thread, and then the...   Jun 29 2008, 11:50 PM
|- - Gelare   QUOTE (masterofm @ Jun 29 2008, 06:50 PM)...   Jun 30 2008, 05:56 AM
- - WearzManySkins   @Frank Trollman What I would like to see is a sys...   Jun 30 2008, 12:31 AM
- - Aaron   Ah, thanks, WMS. That leads to another question, t...   Jun 30 2008, 02:14 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   Frank, but what I am 99% confident we are both tal...   Jun 30 2008, 03:57 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Jun 29 2008, 11:57...   Jun 30 2008, 04:49 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 29 2008, 11:49 PM) synn...   Jun 30 2008, 05:20 AM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 29 2008, 11:49 PM) synn...   Jun 30 2008, 05:42 AM
- - RunnerPaul   Getting back to the original point of this thread:...   Jun 30 2008, 10:01 AM
- - Fuchs   What I'd like: Nerfing of "manual" ...   Jun 30 2008, 11:01 AM
- - Teal Deer   Make Technomancers not be retarded. Been said be...   Jun 30 2008, 11:07 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Gelare)I'd like some more information o...   Jun 30 2008, 12:07 PM
- - otakusensei   Man, it's depressing to see so much debate and...   Jun 30 2008, 03:59 PM
- - Nightwalker450   One of my fellow runners, who as a character and p...   Jun 30 2008, 06:24 PM
- - deek   I'll re-read Frank's ruleset once there ar...   Jun 30 2008, 06:38 PM
- - Thufar_Hawat   Hi Frank Do you have a link to the rules you...   Jun 30 2008, 09:54 PM
|- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Thufar_Hawat @ Jun 30 2008, 05:54 ...   Jun 30 2008, 09:58 PM
- - Thufar_Hawat   thanks for the quick link   Jun 30 2008, 10:00 PM
- - Tabula Rasa   First of all, thanks for your work on your houseru...   Jun 30 2008, 10:29 PM
|- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Tabula Rasa @ Jun 30 2008, 06:29 P...   Jun 30 2008, 10:52 PM
- - PlatonicPimp   And that's what I'D like to see from Frank...   Jun 30 2008, 11:01 PM
- - Tabula Rasa   Well, I guess my issue with that signal strength d...   Jun 30 2008, 11:03 PM
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