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post Jun 28 2008, 04:35 AM
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To quote Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets, by David Simon:

"Hollywood tells us that a Saturday Night Special can put a man on the pavement, yet ballistic experts know that no bullet short of an artillery shell is capable of knocking a human being off his feet. Regardless of a bullet's weight, shape and velocity and regardless of the size of the handgun from which it was fired, it is too small a projectile to topple a person by the impact of its own mass. If bullets truly had such power, the laws of physics would require that the shooter would also be knocked off his feet in similar fashion when he discharged the weapon."

However, later on that same page:

"Although the popular belief that many people fall down upon being shot is generally accurate, experts have determined this occurs not for physiological reasons, but as a learned response. People who have been shot believe they are supposed to fall immediately to the ground, so they do."

So instead of relying on the damage inflicted as opposed to the victim's Body, maybe it should require a Willpower Test to remain standing after being shot.
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- evil_bacteria   Guns and knockdown   Jun 28 2008, 04:35 AM
- - Heath Robinson   I would think that it's more shock and the sud...   Jun 28 2008, 05:33 AM
- - Faelan   Falling down after being shot makes sense. It...   Jun 28 2008, 05:38 AM
- - evil_bacteria   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Jun 28 2008, 12:3...   Jun 28 2008, 05:48 AM
- - Faelan   My point is that knockdown does not make sense, ro...   Jun 28 2008, 05:55 AM
- - Cantankerous   QUOTE (evil_bacteria @ Jun 28 2008, 06:35...   Jun 28 2008, 05:59 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jun 27 2008, 10:59 ...   Jun 28 2008, 02:34 PM
- - Shrapnel   I propose that regardless of real life physics, fi...   Jun 28 2008, 07:05 AM
- - Daier Mune   i remember they did this on Mythbusters. they hun...   Jun 28 2008, 03:02 PM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Jun 28 2008, 04:02 PM...   Jun 28 2008, 11:07 PM
|- - Cantankerous   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Jun 29 2008, 01:0...   Jun 29 2008, 05:49 AM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jun 29 2008, 06:49 ...   Jun 29 2008, 07:59 AM
- - Rail   There is one big difference between the typical gu...   Jun 28 2008, 08:13 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   The fact that the knockdown factor in gunfire is n...   Jun 28 2008, 10:57 PM
- - evil_bacteria   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jun 29 2008, 12:49 ...   Jun 29 2008, 03:53 PM
|- - Cantankerous   QUOTE (evil_bacteria @ Jun 29 2008, 05:53...   Jun 30 2008, 10:23 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jun 30 2008, 03:23 ...   Jun 30 2008, 12:28 PM
|- - Cantankerous   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Jun 30 2008, 02:28 ...   Jun 30 2008, 01:21 PM
- - Kerris   I heartily agree that Shadowrun should not follow ...   Jun 29 2008, 05:36 PM
- - Siege   I've heard descriptions of shooting victims ra...   Jun 29 2008, 10:07 PM
- - kzt   There is a video out there of a guy standing on on...   Jun 29 2008, 10:18 PM
|- - Siege   QUOTE (kzt @ Jun 29 2008, 11:18 PM) There...   Jun 30 2008, 12:34 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Siege @ Jun 30 2008, 05:34 AM) I g...   Jul 1 2008, 03:31 AM
- - tweak   I thought most fatalities due to bullet wounds was...   Jun 29 2008, 10:29 PM
|- - ShadeRavnos   QUOTE (tweak @ Jun 29 2008, 05:29 PM) I t...   Jun 29 2008, 10:46 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (ShadeRavnos @ Jun 29 2008, 03:46 P...   Jun 29 2008, 11:41 PM
- - Ed_209a   It may not be "shock" in the technical s...   Jun 30 2008, 01:58 PM
|- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Jun 30 2008, 07:58 AM) I...   Jun 30 2008, 03:08 PM
|- - Shiloh   QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Jun 30 2008, 02:58 PM) I...   Jun 30 2008, 03:15 PM
|- - Cantankerous   QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Jun 30 2008, 03:58 PM) I...   Jun 30 2008, 05:07 PM
|- - AllTheNothing   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jun 30 2008, 06:07 ...   Nov 19 2008, 09:36 PM
- - ornot   From a medical perspective 'shock' refers ...   Jun 30 2008, 05:31 PM
- - hyzmarca   If its an instinctual autonomic response then one ...   Jun 30 2008, 05:40 PM
- - nezumi   Or until you don't stand up.   Jun 30 2008, 07:14 PM
|- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jun 30 2008, 02:14 PM) Or...   Jun 30 2008, 07:41 PM
- - psychophipps   While there are indeed experienced EMT/medic/param...   Jul 1 2008, 02:24 AM
|- - Cantankerous   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Jul 1 2008, 04:24 A...   Jul 1 2008, 06:36 AM
|- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jul 1 2008, 01:36 A...   Jul 1 2008, 01:16 PM
||- - Cantankerous   QUOTE (Jrayjoker @ Jul 1 2008, 03:16 PM) ...   Jul 1 2008, 05:37 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jul 1 2008, 11:37 A...   Nov 19 2008, 04:35 PM
|- - Shiloh   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jul 1 2008, 07:36 A...   Jul 1 2008, 06:28 PM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Jun 30 2008, 11:36 ...   Nov 19 2008, 06:50 AM
- - Jrayjoker   If that is the case then, wow! I'll take a...   Jul 1 2008, 03:57 AM
- - Jrayjoker   perhaps "strange" should read "impr...   Jul 1 2008, 01:16 PM
- - Jekolmy   Sorry to necro the thread, but I was wondering if ...   Nov 19 2008, 04:37 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   It is damage taken (DV - Resistance Hits), not dam...   Nov 19 2008, 05:29 AM
|- - Jekolmy   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Nov 18 2008, 11:29...   Nov 19 2008, 12:22 PM
- - TheOOB   Any attack that does in excess of your body in dam...   Nov 19 2008, 08:57 AM
- - masterofm   A gun shot wound is a menagerie of pain stacked hi...   Nov 19 2008, 10:06 AM
- - Marvelous Marvin   Not to be a curmudgeon or anything, but this sound...   Nov 19 2008, 01:13 PM
- - Aaron   QUOTE (Marvelous Marvin)Not to be a curmudgeon or ...   Nov 19 2008, 04:49 PM
- - Method   Okay, medically speaking, almost everyone who has ...   Nov 20 2008, 12:46 AM
- - AngelisStorm   I think everyone has good points (and especially t...   Nov 20 2008, 07:57 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Nov 20 2008, 12:57 ...   Nov 20 2008, 09:38 AM
- - TheOOB   The truth is, whether or not a wound is fatal, mos...   Nov 20 2008, 08:57 AM
- - AngelisStorm   (And the .45 has a clip, which probably helped to....   Nov 20 2008, 10:21 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Nov 20 2008, 05:21 ...   Nov 20 2008, 11:29 AM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Critias @ Nov 20 2008, 07:29 AM) M...   Nov 20 2008, 01:34 PM
- - kzt   They DO suck. Pistols are the gun you have when y...   Nov 20 2008, 11:23 AM
- - Fortune   I think the distinction is kind of silly. Everyone...   Nov 20 2008, 01:18 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 20 2008, 08:18 AM) I...   Nov 20 2008, 03:31 PM
|- - TheOneRonin   QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 20 2008, 08:18 AM) I...   Nov 20 2008, 03:32 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (TheOneRonin @ Nov 21 2008, 02:32 A...   Nov 20 2008, 10:37 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   The idea proffered earlier that falling down after...   Nov 20 2008, 01:32 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01 @ Nov 20 2008, 05:32...   Nov 20 2008, 03:33 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   kzt: I have to take exception to your statement th...   Nov 20 2008, 01:38 PM
|- - TheOneRonin   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01 @ Nov 20 2008, 08:38...   Nov 20 2008, 04:07 PM
- - Ed_209a   Both KZT and Zen have points here. KZT is right i...   Nov 20 2008, 02:22 PM
- - Blade   I don't know about you guys, but if I know I w...   Nov 20 2008, 02:37 PM
|- - Ed_209a   QUOTE (Blade @ Nov 20 2008, 09:37 AM) I d...   Nov 20 2008, 02:56 PM
- - masterofm   At that point why not carry a panther cannon, with...   Nov 20 2008, 02:44 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (masterofm @ Nov 20 2008, 03:44 PM)...   Nov 20 2008, 03:21 PM
|- - child of insanity   QUOTE (masterofm @ Nov 21 2008, 01:44 AM)...   Nov 20 2008, 04:46 PM
- - masterofm   @ Hobogoblin - Oh you silly silly man. If you are...   Nov 20 2008, 03:37 PM
- - Whipstitch   Yeah, see, and unless you're crazy, I bet you ...   Nov 20 2008, 08:44 PM
|- - TheOneRonin   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Nov 20 2008, 03:44 PM...   Nov 20 2008, 08:45 PM
|- - Thadeus Bearpaw   QUOTE (TheOneRonin @ Nov 20 2008, 02:45 P...   Nov 21 2008, 04:35 AM
- - AngelisStorm   Phew, come on folks. Magazine might be the techni...   Nov 21 2008, 12:28 AM
- - Platinum Dragon   QUOTE (TheOneRonin @ Nov 21 2008, 03:07 A...   Nov 21 2008, 02:49 AM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Platinum Dragon @ Nov 20 2008, 07...   Nov 21 2008, 02:56 AM
||- - Platinum Dragon   QUOTE (Method @ Nov 21 2008, 01:56 PM) Or...   Nov 21 2008, 03:00 AM
|- - kzt   If you are young, in good shape, and up to spendin...   Nov 21 2008, 03:00 AM
|- - Platinum Dragon   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 21 2008, 02:00 PM) If yo...   Nov 21 2008, 03:10 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Platinum Dragon @ Nov 20 2008, 07...   Nov 21 2008, 05:45 AM
|- - Platinum Dragon   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Nov 21 2008, 04:45 ...   Nov 21 2008, 05:56 AM
- - Method   Ha!! I'm so going to use that... I a...   Nov 21 2008, 03:07 AM
|- - Snow_Fox   QUOTE (Method @ Nov 20 2008, 10:07 PM) Ha...   Nov 21 2008, 03:24 AM
- - Method   er.. NM wrong thread   Nov 21 2008, 03:15 AM
- - Snow_Fox   Boy, I stay away a few days and this comes up. Pla...   Nov 21 2008, 03:17 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Nov 21 2008, 02:17 PM) ...   Nov 21 2008, 03:57 AM
- - Method   I'm right there with you, Snow Fox. I have tr...   Nov 21 2008, 03:29 AM
- - Snow_Fox   I think I understand. The Aikido is a part of you ...   Nov 21 2008, 03:37 AM
- - AngelisStorm   That is really cool Snow Fox, I had no idea Togasa...   Nov 21 2008, 03:56 AM
|- - Snow_Fox   Maybe but in that context it is incorrect, a real ...   Nov 21 2008, 04:21 AM
- - AngelisStorm   Right, I totally spaced on that one Fortune. Mean...   Nov 21 2008, 04:05 AM
- - Fortune   To belabor a point ... From Dictionary.com ... Q...   Nov 21 2008, 04:13 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Snow Fox)Maybe but in that context it is in...   Nov 21 2008, 04:37 AM
|- - Shrapnel   QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 21 2008, 12:37 AM) I...   Nov 21 2008, 04:52 AM
- - Fortune   Fair enough, although I maintain I have honestly n...   Nov 21 2008, 05:17 AM
- - Platinum Dragon   To be fair, I heard ammunition cartridges called ...   Nov 21 2008, 05:25 AM
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