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post Aug 16 2008, 09:32 AM
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This is too big to fit in my sig, so I have to give it its own home.

[rant]Admittedly I haven't frequented other RPG forums much, but this is the only forum, the only game, I've seen where people come out of the woodwork of piss and moan about EVERY SINGLE BOOK that comes out to the people that did the work to write, develop, and produce said books. I'd said this before, it ain't new. And it's directed to everyone that sits here on DS and complains about minute flaws, or whines because they think something should be different, or tells a writer that a concept - a piece of fiction - they wrote is wrong. Take a moment to consider the simple fact that they did the work to bring this game to the market, not you. If you have issues with their work, I suggest that instead of trying to tear them down for not reading your mind as to how "it" should be done go out and write something yourself. It's easy to be a damned critic, but that doesn't mean that all the noise of all the critics in the world amounts to more than a single pile of crap. Ask questions, get clarification, give feedback, hell that's all good. But don't sit there and tell the writers and developers they did it "wrong" - for EVERY SINGLE BOOK that comes out - when you haven't done even a fraction of that work yourself.[/rant]

(Please do not respond to this thread. I don't want a huge debate. It's only here so I can link to it in my sig.)
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- NightmareX   A Rant   Aug 16 2008, 09:32 AM
- - shuya   i don't care that you said not to reply, but t...   Aug 16 2008, 02:06 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (shuya @ Aug 16 2008, 07:06 AM) i d...   Aug 16 2008, 07:55 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Seems he covered your point already, shuya. That...   Aug 16 2008, 02:13 PM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE Admittedly I haven't frequented other RP...   Aug 16 2008, 02:58 PM
- - psychophipps   And I feel that when the developers pick the use o...   Aug 16 2008, 03:17 PM
- - It trolls!   I think it's a variation of Penny Arcade's...   Aug 16 2008, 05:29 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (It trolls! @ Aug 16 2008, 07:2...   Aug 16 2008, 05:45 PM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (It trolls! @ Aug 16 2008, 09:2...   Aug 16 2008, 06:39 PM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE I think it's a variation of Penny Arcade...   Aug 16 2008, 06:12 PM
- - hyzmarca   Criticism is necessary for the artist to improve. ...   Aug 16 2008, 07:04 PM
|- - NightmareX   First of all, I must say - what part of the simple...   Aug 17 2008, 05:11 AM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (NightmareX @ Aug 17 2008, 01:11 AM...   Aug 17 2008, 05:27 AM
|- - Not of this World   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Aug 16 2008, 09:27 PM)...   Aug 18 2008, 04:25 AM
- - hobgoblin   there is also the question about how the criticism...   Aug 16 2008, 07:12 PM
- - Glyph   I'm generally satisfied with most of the SR ru...   Aug 16 2008, 08:46 PM
- - sunnyside   I'd think the praise/criticism would be highly...   Aug 16 2008, 10:49 PM
|- - Ancient History   Ook ook. QUOTE (sunnyside @ Aug 16 2008, 11...   Aug 16 2008, 11:25 PM
- - Ryu   Edit: Post length may not suggest it, but AniH ans...   Aug 16 2008, 11:41 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (NightmareX @ Aug 16 2008, 05:32 AM...   Aug 17 2008, 12:20 AM
- - sunnyside   Hurm. So the current SR writers aren't so mu...   Aug 17 2008, 12:57 AM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Aug 17 2008, 01:57 AM)...   Aug 17 2008, 01:05 AM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Aug 16 2008, 08...   Aug 17 2008, 01:16 AM
- - Oenone   People almost always tend to produce better qualit...   Aug 17 2008, 01:14 AM
- - MJBurrage   I'm not going to point any specific fingers, b...   Aug 17 2008, 01:25 AM
- - Ancient History   Depends on the product and the person, but for m...   Aug 17 2008, 01:35 AM
- - hyzmarca   There is also the simple fact that a fandom is rar...   Aug 17 2008, 02:00 AM
- - Sir_Psycho   I don't think the criticism is the problem per...   Aug 17 2008, 04:19 AM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE And those who clearly go beyond reasonable l...   Aug 17 2008, 04:56 AM
- - WearzManySkins   QUOTE (NightmareX @ Aug 16 2008, 03:32 AM...   Aug 17 2008, 05:15 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Aug 17 2008, 12:1...   Aug 17 2008, 05:34 AM
- - HappyDaze   So not only do you not want people commenting on t...   Aug 17 2008, 05:38 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 17 2008, 12:38 AM)...   Aug 17 2008, 05:46 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (NightmareX @ Aug 17 2008, 12:46 AM...   Aug 17 2008, 06:20 AM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE Further, if you had a sig, would you want so...   Aug 17 2008, 06:01 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 17 2008, 01:01 AM)...   Aug 17 2008, 06:36 AM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE People post threads dedicated to their own p...   Aug 17 2008, 06:44 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 17 2008, 01:44 AM)...   Aug 17 2008, 06:58 AM
- - sunnyside   Geez guys lay off on Nightmare. Just enjoy drink...   Aug 17 2008, 06:46 AM
- - sunnyside   Aw. He removed the thread link to this from his s...   Aug 17 2008, 07:12 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Aug 17 2008, 02:12 AM)...   Aug 17 2008, 07:26 AM
- - masterofm   Ok how can I put this... From what I gather is th...   Aug 17 2008, 08:26 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (masterofm @ Aug 17 2008, 03:26 AM)...   Aug 17 2008, 11:45 AM
- - Cain   How can I put this gently? Lack of criticism, in ...   Aug 18 2008, 02:43 AM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (Cain @ Aug 18 2008, 03:43 AM) Lack...   Aug 18 2008, 03:28 AM
||- - Cain   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Aug 17 2008, 08...   Aug 18 2008, 03:54 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (Cain @ Aug 17 2008, 09:43 PM) Lack...   Aug 18 2008, 07:01 AM
- - kzt   And don't forget to pay the publisher of the t...   Aug 18 2008, 03:59 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (kzt @ Aug 17 2008, 07:59 PM) And d...   Aug 18 2008, 04:19 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   A couple of big lols in this thread. A) Starting ...   Aug 18 2008, 05:02 AM
- - kzt   It's interesting that I haven't heard of a...   Aug 18 2008, 05:34 AM
- - Ancient History   T'be honest, playtesting is a mixed bag. The p...   Aug 18 2008, 05:39 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   On the topic of playtesters, how does one become a...   Aug 18 2008, 05:48 AM
- - masterofm   Well... as much as you would seem right Ancient Hi...   Aug 18 2008, 07:44 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (masterofm @ Aug 18 2008, 02:44 AM)...   Aug 19 2008, 02:43 PM
- - BishopMcQ   Playtesters are not paid to my knowledge. How lo...   Aug 18 2008, 08:04 AM
- - Cyntax   I'd like them to hire me so I can do some of t...   Aug 18 2008, 10:16 AM
- - WearzManySkins   Oh wonderful now knowing the most excellent workin...   Aug 18 2008, 01:50 PM
- - Aaron   QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Aug 18 2008, 02:04 AM)...   Aug 18 2008, 03:46 PM
- - Redjack   QUOTE (Aaron @ Aug 18 2008, 09:46 AM) QUO...   Aug 18 2008, 07:04 PM
- - TheGothfather   QUOTE (Ancient History)T'be honest, playtestin...   Aug 18 2008, 10:58 PM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (TheGothfather @ Aug 18 2008, 11:58...   Aug 19 2008, 12:41 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   If I had to select playtesters, I'd actually s...   Aug 18 2008, 11:32 PM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Aug 18 2008, 06:32...   Aug 18 2008, 11:53 PM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Aug 19 2008, 12:32...   Aug 19 2008, 12:29 AM
|- - Adarael   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Aug 18 2008, 04:32...   Aug 19 2008, 04:36 PM
|- - deek   QUOTE (Adarael @ Aug 19 2008, 12:36 PM) Y...   Aug 19 2008, 04:46 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   The problem is that the skillset of 'People ...   Aug 19 2008, 12:04 AM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Aug 18 2008, 06:04...   Aug 19 2008, 01:07 AM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Redjack @ Aug 18 2008, 09:07 PM) A...   Aug 19 2008, 01:52 AM
||- - Redjack   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Aug 18 2008, 08:52...   Aug 19 2008, 02:42 AM
||- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Redjack @ Aug 18 2008, 10:42 PM) I...   Aug 19 2008, 03:48 AM
||- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Aug 18 2008, 10:48...   Aug 19 2008, 04:11 AM
||- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE And while you are thinking about rarity pric...   Aug 19 2008, 05:56 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (Redjack @ Aug 18 2008, 08:07 PM) 3...   Aug 19 2008, 04:47 AM
- - masterofm   Some ounce of clarity has sunk in while reading th...   Aug 19 2008, 04:07 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   It is probably impractical for them to incorporate...   Aug 19 2008, 04:12 AM
- - masterofm   No doubt. They might not have the choice in the m...   Aug 19 2008, 04:33 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE Consider what WOTC did for its playtesting o...   Aug 19 2008, 05:02 AM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (Cain @ Aug 18 2008, 11:02 PM) Caus...   Aug 19 2008, 05:29 AM
- - masterofm   Oh... I see how it is Cain! Not taking the ga...   Aug 19 2008, 05:12 AM
- - masterofm   "The counter point being that a lot more do.....   Aug 19 2008, 05:40 AM
|- - Redjack   QUOTE (masterofm @ Aug 18 2008, 11:40 PM)...   Aug 19 2008, 06:11 AM
|- - Not of this World   QUOTE (Redjack @ Aug 18 2008, 11:11 PM) I...   Aug 19 2008, 07:27 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE I'd really prefer you made your points w...   Aug 19 2008, 06:08 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Cain @ Aug 18 2008, 11:08 PM) Like...   Aug 19 2008, 06:32 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   I will agree with redjack that aside from the matr...   Aug 19 2008, 06:25 AM
- - It trolls!   I have only skimmed through the last 3 pages but i...   Aug 19 2008, 06:30 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (It trolls! @ Aug 19 2008, 01:3...   Aug 19 2008, 09:25 AM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (NightmareX @ Aug 19 2008, 11:25 AM...   Aug 19 2008, 09:56 AM
|- - NightmareX   QUOTE (Ryu @ Aug 19 2008, 04:56 AM) Fits ...   Aug 19 2008, 10:13 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   lol. tbh, I wish the same quality of the magic rul...   Aug 19 2008, 06:36 AM
- - deek   This has been a really interesting discussion, alb...   Aug 19 2008, 01:59 PM
- - Redjack   QUOTE (Not of this World @ Aug 19 2008, 02...   Aug 19 2008, 02:36 PM
|- - Not of this World   QUOTE (Redjack @ Aug 19 2008, 06:36 AM) B...   Aug 19 2008, 05:48 PM
- - Wesley Street   Somewhere, someone must have stats of units sold o...   Aug 19 2008, 02:48 PM
- - Ryu   I would advise against making such data available ...   Aug 19 2008, 03:36 PM
|- - Wesley Street   QUOTE (Ryu @ Aug 19 2008, 11:36 AM) I wou...   Aug 19 2008, 04:29 PM
- - Adam   Just to dash in with a quick post about the health...   Aug 19 2008, 03:51 PM
- - masterofm   Uuuug... Redjack can you not see this has still ju...   Aug 19 2008, 04:29 PM
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