Aug 31 2008, 02:32 AM
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OK, reading over the Sasquatch from the Runners' Companion, I'm at a loss as to why they can't speak and understand spoken language. This doesn't make sense for the following reasons:
1) Through use of the Mimicry power, Sasquatch are certainly capable of reproducing sounds - including speech - that they have heard. 2) Sasquatch use those sounds as hunting calls demonstrating that they can associate specific sounds for specific uses. 3) Sasquatch can understand and use sign language, meaning that the concept of language is not unknown to them. 4) Sasquatch can use AR to translate those 'sounds' made by others and see the 'sign' for what they mean or they can make a sign and hear a sound produced from it. 5) Sasquatch are every bit as intelligent as humans (and moreso than orks and trolls) with a Logic of 1/6 (9). So, with the above points in mind, what's to stop a Sasquatch from associating those 'sounds' with a particular concept, and having them learn the association after a time without the AR (in effect, learning the language)? Sorry, but as written, it seems like an idiotic "it's magic - they just can't" situation. Without a handwave, is there any good reason why they can't use spoken languages? |
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HappyDaze So a Sasquatch can't speak or understand spoken language... Aug 31 2008, 02:32 AM
Crusher Bob There's probably some pretty good brain struct... Aug 31 2008, 02:45 AM
Oenone It's not a question of intelligence, it's ... Aug 31 2008, 02:50 AM
hyzmarca Why can't Sasquatches speak? Koko, chummer, Ko... Aug 31 2008, 02:51 AM
Alex *waves hand*
Now they can speak and understand sp... Aug 31 2008, 02:51 AM
Ancient History QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 31 2008, 02:32 AM)... Aug 31 2008, 02:55 AM
Muspellsheimr I do not have access to my books at the moment, bu... Aug 31 2008, 02:59 AM
WearzManySkins Again a "Gee Whiz" factor by those that ... Aug 31 2008, 03:37 AM
Ancient History There are people in the world today who can unders... Aug 31 2008, 03:52 AM
HappyDaze QUOTE they don't associate the individual word... Aug 31 2008, 03:53 AM
Ancient History QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 31 2008, 03:53 AM)... Aug 31 2008, 03:58 AM
HappyDaze AH, I think that your answer is terribly stupid si... Aug 31 2008, 04:07 AM
Jackstand QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 30 2008, 11:07 PM)... Aug 31 2008, 07:00 AM
WearzManySkins It does not matter how well we disprove AH, he wil... Aug 31 2008, 04:10 AM
Ancient History Okay, I'm trying to explain this without getti... Aug 31 2008, 04:55 AM
TonkaTuff The primary thing is, because he helps write the m... Aug 31 2008, 05:13 AM
WearzManySkins Hmm lets compare intelligent beings, not apes or p... Aug 31 2008, 05:31 AM
Johnny Jacks The way I figure it, the reason they can't und... Aug 31 2008, 07:14 AM
Riley37 AH's line of argument strikes me as both a) si... Aug 31 2008, 07:28 AM
Crusher Bob Yes, the only part of the structural argument that... Aug 31 2008, 08:04 AM
MYST1C QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Aug 31 2008, 10:04 A... Aug 31 2008, 09:41 AM
GreyBrother Well... then what about the other metasapient Race... Aug 31 2008, 09:03 AM
Riley37 I like Crusher Bob's idea that learning some s... Aug 31 2008, 10:29 AM
Chrysalis I am working from the original poster and looking ... Aug 31 2008, 02:14 PM
hobgoblin im reminded of the junkbots from the transformers ... Aug 31 2008, 02:33 PM
Alex QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Aug 31 2008, 08:33 AM)... Aug 31 2008, 04:46 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE The way I figure it, the reason they can... Aug 31 2008, 03:12 PM
Johnny Jacks QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 31 2008, 08:12 AM)... Aug 31 2008, 06:58 PM
HappyDaze To break the language barrier, could a Sasquatch a... Aug 31 2008, 03:13 PM
hyzmarca I telephoned the bear with a pumpernickel case and... Aug 31 2008, 04:09 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE Receptive aphasia, also known as Wernicke ap... Aug 31 2008, 05:08 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 31 2008, 01:08 PM)... Aug 31 2008, 05:34 PM
WearzManySkins QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Aug 31 2008, 11:34 AM) ... Aug 31 2008, 05:52 PM
HappyDaze I'm also curious - RC hints that sasquatch nee... Aug 31 2008, 05:21 PM
Alex No offense intended HappyDaze, but what are you ge... Aug 31 2008, 05:31 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE No offense intended HappyDaze, but what are ... Aug 31 2008, 06:01 PM
Ancient History QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Aug 31 2008, 06:01 PM)... Aug 31 2008, 06:41 PM
CanRay QUOTE (Ancient History @ Aug 31 2008, 01... Sep 2 2008, 02:10 AM
imperialus I admit I haven't read the entire thread yet b... Aug 31 2008, 06:23 PM
Ancient History I'm just going to share something horrible I t... Aug 31 2008, 06:50 PM
hobgoblin one thing to keep in mind during all this is that ... Aug 31 2008, 06:55 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE About the same as when you've got a non-... Aug 31 2008, 07:58 PM
BishopMcQ I think one of the biggest problems is that all of... Aug 31 2008, 07:59 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE Step back for a second and feel the enormity... Aug 31 2008, 08:10 PM
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BishopMcQ The sasquatch can grok humanity, great--that puts ... Aug 31 2008, 08:16 PM
HappyDaze Gotcha - we're back to handwavium. Aug 31 2008, 08:17 PM
hobgoblin hmm, could one construct a environment that would ... Aug 31 2008, 08:18 PM
Cain I think you guys are making too big of a deal abou... Aug 31 2008, 08:21 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE hmm, could one construct a environment that ... Aug 31 2008, 08:21 PM
BishopMcQ If you have to label "unable to understand,... Aug 31 2008, 08:24 PM
Chrysalis I was thinking about the Sasquatch situation a bit... Aug 31 2008, 11:13 PM
BishopMcQ Chrysalis--Would you view Arielle's ability as... Aug 31 2008, 11:21 PM
Chrysalis Arielle's ability is not an exception, a simil... Sep 1 2008, 05:41 AM
hobgoblin i did a quick read of the section in RC and it see... Sep 1 2008, 10:37 AM
Alex hobgoblin for the win!
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I'd buy tha... Sep 1 2008, 08:13 PM
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swap the gor... Sep 1 2008, 09:05 PM
Tarantula I think I like the explaination that they pay part... Sep 1 2008, 10:50 PM
CanRay Dolphins can't speak a human language, but the... Sep 1 2008, 11:09 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE But it would be a delayed process
It wouldn... Sep 1 2008, 11:41 PM
Tarantula QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Sep 1 2008, 04:41 PM) ... Sep 1 2008, 11:59 PM
AngelisStorm QUOTE (Tarantula @ Sep 1 2008, 07:59 PM) ... Sep 2 2008, 02:05 AM
HappyDaze QUOTE Dolphins can't speak a human language
Th... Sep 1 2008, 11:44 PM
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WearzManySkins QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Sep 2 2008, 08:40 AM) ... Sep 2 2008, 03:25 PM
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WearzManySkins QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Sep 2 2008, 10:06 AM) ... Sep 2 2008, 05:24 PM
Ancient History "My advantageous mongoose masturbates with ab... Sep 2 2008, 02:16 AM
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Doctor Funkenstein Eh. It's one of those things where you just h... Sep 2 2008, 03:39 AM
WearzManySkins I agree the the Doctor in this matter.
Welcome ba... Sep 2 2008, 03:47 AM
Not of this World Parrots can mimic human sounds and they communicat... Sep 2 2008, 04:25 AM
The Monk Neanderthal Theory Here is an interesting article.... Sep 2 2008, 05:30 AM
Doctor Funkenstein They can understand you. They can make sounds -- ... Sep 2 2008, 05:54 AM
The Monk Well, I don't pretend to know a whole lot abou... Sep 2 2008, 06:34 AM
Doctor Funkenstein I think the big thing you're missing is that t... Sep 2 2008, 06:41 AM
The Monk Hmm, yeah seems like they could have gone farther ... Sep 2 2008, 07:20 AM
Not of this World It is not a cheap gimmick. The only problem if the... Sep 2 2008, 09:21 AM
HappyDaze QUOTE Humans are the only ones we know of so far t... Sep 2 2008, 09:58 AM
Chrysalis The reason why I brought up animal communication i... Sep 2 2008, 02:12 PM
Tarantula Heres another answer... Because, they're magic... Sep 2 2008, 02:44 PM
CanRay OK folks, how about this...
The High Foreheads in... Sep 2 2008, 03:08 PM
Eryk the Red This is kind of a silly argument. At my table, we... Sep 2 2008, 03:11 PM
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The Monk They have their own language, can mimic our langua... Sep 2 2008, 04:54 PM
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Wesley Street QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Sep 2 2008, 02:47 PM) ... Sep 2 2008, 07:54 PM
Ancient History Sometimes, just sometimes, I wish you were someone... Sep 2 2008, 08:07 PM
Heath Robinson My take on the situation (as if you cared, right?)... Sep 2 2008, 08:23 PM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Sep 2 2008, 03:23... Sep 2 2008, 09:18 PM
Heath Robinson QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Sep 2 2008, 10... Sep 2 2008, 10:50 PM
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