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> Devs please help us out on the definition of some rules, stops derailing threads and can give us all a clearer answer (i hope)
masterofm
post Sep 10 2008, 07:47 AM
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Ok so I have noticed that there are quite a few topics that go off topic on a rules debate (mainly dealing with rules that are not so clearly defined) so I propose that people bring up all the little small things that need a finer interpretation on what the rule was intended to do to prevent topic derailment.

I would love to have this one settled once and for all because I'm tired of arguing it.

Does the illusion spell invisibility or improved invisibility truly make things invisible so as to use it as a way to get around LOS issues?

Can mages chose to fail to see through their own spell?

example: I cast improved invisibility on a metal box I am hiding behind. I cast a stunball at the enemies charging at me because I now have LOS. Is this valid?

If that works then the mage casting would have had to fail against their own spell to be able to gain LOS. Can the mage choose not to resist the spell that they cast on the metal box or is this just not an option? Can you see the person and still not gain LOS on the target in the same way that you could see someone with radar vision but still be unable to target them?


It would be nice if other people could come up with similar loosely defined rules, or arguments on other topics so that hopefully we can all gain some clarity and allow for a single topic where devs can chime in and help us all out.
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- masterofm   Devs please help us out on the definition of some rules   Sep 10 2008, 07:47 AM
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- - masterofm   How obvious is movement. If a person takes a sing...   Sep 10 2008, 03:51 PM
- - Tarantula   Nitpick... you don't "see" people wi...   Sep 10 2008, 03:58 PM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE Nitpick... you don't "see" peo...   Sep 10 2008, 04:08 PM
- - Kurious   Kudos masterofm for starting this thread. /hoping...   Sep 11 2008, 03:19 AM
- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (masterofm @ Sep 10 2008, 02:47 AM)...   Sep 11 2008, 03:21 AM
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|- - Da9iel   QUOTE (MaxMahem @ Sep 11 2008, 08:26 PM) ...   Sep 12 2008, 02:42 AM
|- - Wesley Street   QUOTE (Da9iel @ Sep 11 2008, 10:42 PM) In...   Sep 12 2008, 03:44 PM
- - ShadeRavnos   I would think that with both Invis spells it would...   Sep 11 2008, 09:24 AM
- - Stahlseele   regular invisibility in shadowrun basically tells ...   Sep 11 2008, 09:49 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Sep 11 2008, 05:49 PM...   Sep 11 2008, 10:08 AM
- - Stahlseele   warping, bending, same difference <.< . . b...   Sep 11 2008, 10:10 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Sep 11 2008, 06:10 PM...   Sep 11 2008, 10:22 AM
- - Stahlseele   if the warping only made it appear as if the objec...   Sep 11 2008, 10:24 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Sep 11 2008, 06:24 PM...   Sep 11 2008, 02:44 PM
- - Hasimir   Just my personal take on it...but... If the ...   Sep 11 2008, 12:29 PM
- - Wakshaani   Yeah, it'd kinda HAVE to block LOS, in order t...   Sep 11 2008, 12:56 PM
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- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Debatable. Street Magic specifically notes that m...   Sep 11 2008, 11:14 PM
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