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post Oct 17 2008, 09:04 PM
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I want to make low-level opposition threatening to powerful PCs and I'm looking for suitable tactics / methods to do this.

I thought it would be a fun project to tax the imaginations of the Dumpshock community to see how many ways we can come up with to do this. I'm afraid that I seem to be reaching a creative block on this. My reasoning is a desire to keep a dangerous and feel to the setting in the face of indestructible trolls, super-fast samurai, etc.

For example:

1. Molotov cocktails: Whilst their 5P of damage is not particularly scary to the classic giant troll, note that Molotov cocktails will also ignite / trigger combustible items carried. They are also cheap. Outfit gangers with Molotovs and target any character that has a habit of loading themselves down with grenades, explosives and Ex-Ex ammo.

Realistic, but a threat to even very tough PCs,

Similarly:

2. Use speeding vehicles as battering ram with which to run down PCs. Cars and vans are readily available to Lonestar and other security forces. At speed, a vehicle can do considerable damage to a PC.

3. Environmental Hazard: Light fires in enclosed spaces, depriving PCs of oxygen, causing smoke inhalation, fire damage. Should ideally be combined with some sort of trap to keep the PCs in the area, such as jamming beams or furniture under door handles. Very suitable for gangers on their home turf with lots of dilapidated buildings at their disposal.

4. Fake retreats: Have a fleeing target lead PCs past other opposition who are concealed so that they can emerge and attack from all sides. This works best if there is a particular reason to want to stop the fleeing person or with bloodthirsty must-kill-everything parties.

5. Use trip wires or concealed holes to bring down PCs and follow with multiple melee attackers before they can get up.

That's all I can think of for now. Can anyone think of number 6 ? Anything that low-level oppositions can do to make them dangerous again is the general idea.
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- knasser   Grunt Survival Guide   Oct 17 2008, 09:04 PM
- - Prime Mover   Ambush, explosives, chemicals/drugs, sheer numbers...   Oct 17 2008, 09:22 PM
- - Chrysalis   You burn tyres and it creates black smoke not only...   Oct 17 2008, 09:22 PM
- - Dashifen   Doesn't the friends in melee bonus cap out at ...   Oct 17 2008, 09:33 PM
- - hyzmarca   Don't forget tunnels, the well-concealed sort ...   Oct 17 2008, 09:34 PM
- - damaleon   Don't forget concentrated fire, each attack be...   Oct 17 2008, 10:00 PM
- - knasser   Wow. Some good stuff there already. My particular ...   Oct 17 2008, 10:12 PM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (knasser @ Oct 17 2008, 03:12 PM) W...   Oct 18 2008, 04:30 AM
- - Ryu   Distributed duties - the heavy hitters can be slow...   Oct 17 2008, 10:15 PM
- - DWC   I used to be a big fan of car accidents, back in S...   Oct 17 2008, 10:19 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (knasser @ Oct 18 2008, 05:04 AM) I...   Oct 17 2008, 11:19 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Molotov cocktails can be more a problem than an as...   Oct 18 2008, 03:41 AM
- - Squinky   Tasers are cheap, extremely effective, and could e...   Oct 18 2008, 04:30 AM
- - Janice   QUOTE (knasser @ Oct 17 2008, 02:04 PM) 1...   Oct 18 2008, 04:39 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Janice @ Oct 17 2008, 09:39 PM) Ba...   Oct 18 2008, 04:45 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Janice @ Oct 18 2008, 05:39 AM) Ba...   Oct 18 2008, 09:17 AM
- - psychophipps   IEDs are great little tricks, ammonium nitrate fer...   Oct 18 2008, 04:40 AM
- - ElFenrir   I'm also a sucker for plain ol' tactics li...   Oct 18 2008, 09:35 AM
- - Cantankerous   Positioning is the king of tactics. When you go a...   Oct 18 2008, 10:00 AM
- - hobgoblin   on the topic of ammo going of from fire, as always...   Oct 18 2008, 10:33 AM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Oct 18 2008, 12:33 PM)...   Oct 18 2008, 10:47 AM
- - Zen Shooter01   Hand grenades in SR are frighteningly inexpensive ...   Oct 18 2008, 01:30 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01 @ Oct 18 2008, 09:30...   Oct 26 2008, 10:34 PM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (psychophipps)Most GMs get their grunts punk...   Oct 18 2008, 03:13 PM
- - Pendaric   I will second (third?) this too. I used defencesiv...   Oct 18 2008, 05:53 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Pendaric @ Oct 19 2008, 01:53 AM) ...   Oct 19 2008, 01:17 AM
- - hyzmarca   Also remember that it is fairly easy to turn a hom...   Oct 19 2008, 01:53 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 19 2008, 09:53 AM) ...   Oct 19 2008, 02:41 AM
||- - kanislatrans   QUOTE (toturi @ Oct 18 2008, 10:41 PM) Su...   Oct 19 2008, 03:43 AM
||- - toturi   QUOTE (kanislatrans @ Oct 19 2008, 11:43 ...   Oct 19 2008, 04:50 AM
|- - Oenone   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 19 2008, 02:53 AM) ...   Oct 19 2008, 06:51 PM
- - Tarantula   I'd say putting furniture in the way wouldn...   Oct 19 2008, 02:46 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Tarantula @ Oct 18 2008, 09:46 PM)...   Oct 19 2008, 03:09 AM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Tarantula @ Oct 19 2008, 04:46 AM)...   Oct 19 2008, 03:13 AM
- - psychophipps   One thing to keep in mind is that the Demolitions ...   Oct 19 2008, 04:31 AM
- - kanislatrans   Point Taken,Compadre. However, as a GM, I try to ...   Oct 19 2008, 05:34 AM
- - Chrysalis   I turn all my gangers into 10-16 years olds on var...   Oct 19 2008, 08:02 AM
- - knasser   Logic of 2 is not stupid. It's a low-average. ...   Oct 19 2008, 10:26 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (knasser @ Oct 19 2008, 06:26 PM) L...   Oct 19 2008, 12:25 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (toturi @ Oct 19 2008, 01:25 PM) Th...   Oct 19 2008, 12:58 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (knasser @ Oct 19 2008, 08:58 PM) A...   Oct 19 2008, 02:29 PM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (toturi @ Oct 19 2008, 03:29 PM) Pi...   Oct 19 2008, 04:50 PM
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|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 19 2008, 08:45 AM) ...   Oct 19 2008, 07:04 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 19 2008, 11:45 PM) ...   Oct 20 2008, 01:49 AM
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|- - toturi   QUOTE (WiredWeasel @ Oct 23 2008, 02:11 A...   Oct 23 2008, 01:19 AM
|- - nezumi   QUOTE (toturi @ Oct 22 2008, 09:19 PM) Ne...   Oct 23 2008, 01:44 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (nezumi @ Oct 23 2008, 09:44 PM) No...   Oct 23 2008, 01:58 PM
- - knasser   And all of this requires in our example of the gro...   Oct 19 2008, 06:51 PM
- - Chrysalis   Here's one. Nail up and barricade all the stre...   Oct 19 2008, 07:37 PM
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|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Oenone @ Oct 20 2008, 12:31 AM) Ba...   Oct 20 2008, 02:00 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE Tasers are cheap, extremely effective, and c...   Oct 20 2008, 12:28 AM
- - Method   Great topic! I'm loving some of these id...   Oct 20 2008, 06:15 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Method @ Oct 20 2008, 02:15 AM) Ba...   Oct 20 2008, 07:40 AM
- - Pendaric   I had a runner team in a skyscrapper in the Barren...   Oct 20 2008, 07:36 PM
- - ravensoracle   I had a team trying to go thru a gang of grunts in...   Oct 21 2008, 07:54 PM
- - hobgoblin   heh, makes me think of a merc game i played in. we...   Oct 21 2008, 08:03 PM
- - nezumi   Don't forget to use crowds of innocent bystand...   Oct 22 2008, 05:07 PM
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- - nezumi   Not to say Toturi is wrong, but here is what is wr...   Oct 22 2008, 08:33 PM
- - DocTaotsu   Some great ideas in here. I like the idea of gan...   Oct 23 2008, 01:37 AM
- - Isath   Hm...how about falling anvils or burning pianos......   Oct 23 2008, 01:48 AM
- - DocTaotsu   That's my opinion but players are often glutto...   Oct 23 2008, 02:29 AM
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|- - AllTheNothing   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Oct 23 2008, 04:56 P...   Oct 23 2008, 05:43 PM
- - Chrysalis   But I like option 3. It remind me of DI L--.   Oct 23 2008, 07:10 AM
- - DocTaotsu   Eh?   Oct 23 2008, 08:32 AM
- - Chrysalis   DI L--: "When I say go I want to see you sho...   Oct 23 2008, 09:27 AM
- - DocTaotsu   Ah... Drill Instructor? That makes a great deal m...   Oct 23 2008, 09:48 AM
- - Grinder   Common sense?   Oct 23 2008, 02:03 PM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Grinder @ Oct 23 2008, 06:03 AM) C...   Oct 23 2008, 02:46 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Oct 23 2008, 10:46 ...   Oct 23 2008, 02:55 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (toturi @ Oct 23 2008, 09:58 AM) We...   Oct 23 2008, 03:46 PM
- - DocTaotsu   Not like I'm one to talk but... HOLYSHITWALLO...   Oct 23 2008, 03:46 PM
- - Dr Funfrock   Yeah, I did warn you Trouble is, I find that my ...   Oct 23 2008, 04:22 PM
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- - Dr Funfrock   I'd argue against going over the top with that...   Oct 27 2008, 01:25 PM
|- - Cthulhudreams   Yeah, comes down to real fundamentals about how yo...   Oct 28 2008, 12:16 AM
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|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Yoan @ Oct 27 2008, 08:48 AM) http...   Oct 28 2008, 01:08 AM
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|- - Earlydawn   QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Oct 27 2008, 05:19 PM)...   Oct 27 2008, 11:39 PM
- - DocTaotsu   I think this brings up a point that has been addre...   Oct 28 2008, 04:01 AM
- - Method   Good point. Its always difficult to apply a histo...   Oct 28 2008, 04:22 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   Per the descriptions in the books, the Z-zones are...   Oct 28 2008, 04:31 AM
- - Method   Again, I think you guys are right as far as the ca...   Oct 28 2008, 04:52 AM
- - DocTaotsu   I wasn't trying to say that Z-Zones regularly ...   Oct 28 2008, 05:16 AM
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- - DocTaotsu   Okay, mogadishu has/is run by gangs. ya happy now?...   Oct 28 2008, 05:49 AM
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