 BP's vs Karmagen |
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I have a general idea, but I'm only a beginning Dumpshocker. What are the pros and cons of each? I've noticed that I tend to be able to do more with Karmagen, give my characters more capabilities; is it like that across the board, or is it just better for the types of characters I build?
I'm especially interested in good, solid arguments designed to get a GM to allow Karmagen-made characters. Thanks in advance! |
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Tyro BP's vs Karmagen Nov 18 2008, 10:03 PM
Stahlseele there are no real pro's to the build point sys... Nov 18 2008, 10:17 PM awolfromlife KarmaGen is good for the high BP cost metatypes in... Nov 18 2008, 10:19 PM krayola red Technically, BP is supposed to encourage specializ... Nov 18 2008, 10:23 PM Muspellsheimr Build Point Generation
Pros
Linear cost makes calc... Nov 18 2008, 10:35 PM
Ancient History QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Nov 18 2008, 11:35... Nov 19 2008, 02:03 AM toturi QUOTE (Ancient History @ Nov 19 2008, 10... Nov 19 2008, 03:40 AM Ancient History QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 19 2008, 04:40 AM) Wh... Nov 19 2008, 04:40 AM toturi QUOTE (Ancient History @ Nov 19 2008, 12... Nov 19 2008, 05:08 AM Whipstitch I'm probably just going to stick with priority... Nov 18 2008, 10:46 PM Cain Karmagen does *not* discourage min/maxing. In fac... Nov 18 2008, 10:52 PM Muspellsheimr Cain, that is powergaming, not min/maxing. Min/ma... Nov 18 2008, 10:57 PM Cain QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Nov 18 2008, 02:57... Nov 19 2008, 12:42 AM TheOOB The karma gen system just takes the min out of min... Nov 19 2008, 01:07 AM Cthulhudreams QUOTE Build Point Generation
Pros
Linear cost make... Nov 19 2008, 01:13 AM Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Nov 18 2008, 06:13... Nov 19 2008, 01:17 AM Muspellsheimr Cain, the Karma generation does not encourage over... Nov 19 2008, 01:14 AM Cain QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Nov 18 2008, 05:14... Nov 19 2008, 02:04 AM Cthulhudreams I thought it was obvious
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Due to scalin... Nov 19 2008, 01:20 AM Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Nov 18 2008, 06:20... Nov 19 2008, 04:59 AM Cthulhudreams QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Nov 19 2008, 12:59... Nov 19 2008, 05:18 AM toturi Comparing BP to Karmagen
1) BP has a (mostly) lin... Nov 19 2008, 01:29 AM ElFenrir Personally, I'm all for Karmagen, and we start... Nov 19 2008, 02:19 AM Glyph I think Cain hit the nail on the head with somethi... Nov 19 2008, 03:45 AM hobgoblin ugh, this reads like people discussing characters ... Nov 19 2008, 04:52 AM Muspellsheimr I am not going to get into this with you again Anc... Nov 19 2008, 04:56 AM The Jopp QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Nov 19 2008, 05:56... Nov 20 2008, 03:22 PM Cain QUOTE (The Jopp @ Nov 20 2008, 07:22 AM) ... Nov 21 2008, 02:23 AM Tyro QUOTE (Cain @ Nov 20 2008, 06:23 PM) The ... Nov 21 2008, 02:31 AM The Jopp QUOTE (Cain @ Nov 21 2008, 03:23 AM) The ... Nov 21 2008, 12:39 PM Ancient History Stop being doofish, Musp. I'm not saying every... Nov 19 2008, 05:02 AM Thadeus Bearpaw QUOTE (Ancient History @ Nov 18 2008, 11... Nov 21 2008, 11:20 PM toturi QUOTE (Thadeus Bearpaw @ Nov 22 2008, 07... Nov 22 2008, 12:18 AM Thadeus Bearpaw QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 21 2008, 06:18 PM) No... Nov 22 2008, 01:02 AM toturi QUOTE (Thadeus Bearpaw @ Nov 22 2008, 09... Nov 22 2008, 01:30 AM Thadeus Bearpaw QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 21 2008, 07:30 PM) Th... Nov 22 2008, 01:38 AM toturi QUOTE (Thadeus Bearpaw @ Nov 22 2008, 09... Nov 22 2008, 01:51 AM Thadeus Bearpaw QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 21 2008, 07:51 PM) No... Nov 22 2008, 02:07 AM toturi QUOTE (Thadeus Bearpaw @ Nov 22 2008, 10... Nov 22 2008, 04:29 PM Cabral QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 21 2008, 09:30 PM) Th... Nov 22 2008, 05:58 AM Cain QUOTE (Cabral @ Nov 21 2008, 09:58 PM) Ac... Nov 22 2008, 06:36 AM Muspellsheimr Which creates blatant balance issues. There is a ... Nov 19 2008, 05:08 AM Ancient History Nah. If I want to play an Ork Private Investigator... Nov 19 2008, 05:16 AM toturi QUOTE (Ancient History @ Nov 19 2008, 01... Nov 19 2008, 06:56 AM Muspellsheimr Neither system overcharges for skills - which is o... Nov 19 2008, 05:25 AM Muspellsheimr Neither system overcharges for skills - which is o... Nov 19 2008, 05:25 AM Cthulhudreams QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Nov 19 2008, 01:25... Nov 19 2008, 07:02 AM Apathy QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Nov 19 2008, 02:02... Nov 19 2008, 11:46 PM Ancient History QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Nov 19 2008, 08:02... Nov 20 2008, 12:16 AM Cain QUOTE (Ancient History @ Nov 19 2008, 04... Nov 20 2008, 12:39 AM Cabral QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Nov 19 2008, 03:02... Nov 20 2008, 01:29 AM Stahlseele the minimum having to be bought was in SR3 at leas... Nov 20 2008, 12:08 AM hobgoblin the problem i guess is that a rpg is more then mat... Nov 20 2008, 12:25 AM krayola red You know, if there's a giant hole in the syste... Nov 20 2008, 12:38 AM Ancient History Which is fine - if you want to play a dryad! T... Nov 20 2008, 12:52 AM TheOOB QUOTE (Ancient History @ Nov 19 2008, 08... Nov 20 2008, 01:56 AM hyzmarca QUOTE (TheOOB @ Nov 19 2008, 08:56 PM) If... Nov 20 2008, 02:38 AM TheOOB QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Nov 19 2008, 10:38 PM) ... Nov 20 2008, 08:16 AM hobgoblin i think there is a reason why the book recomends o... Nov 20 2008, 12:54 AM hobgoblin ah, i read that bit as the players (that is the gr... Nov 20 2008, 01:41 AM Glyph QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Nov 19 2008, 07:41 PM)... Nov 20 2008, 02:57 AM Method QUOTE (Runner's Companion Page 38)Neither of t... Nov 20 2008, 01:45 AM ElFenrir Honestly, I don't have a problem with the meta... Nov 20 2008, 02:05 AM Ancient History Other methods were considered and eventually disca... Nov 20 2008, 02:12 AM Cthulhudreams Yeah Glyph, that was my point which was poorly art... Nov 20 2008, 03:07 AM Cain QUOTE In Karma? These same characters(IME) at leas... Nov 20 2008, 03:19 AM Whipstitch QUOTE (Cain @ Nov 19 2008, 11:19 PM) Sinc... Nov 20 2008, 04:11 AM hobgoblin and real life people have a habit of finding jobs ... Nov 20 2008, 08:38 AM Tyro Being the OP, I really should have posted before n... Nov 21 2008, 01:11 AM Ancient History 600 Karma is closer to a 400 BP character. That... Nov 21 2008, 02:46 AM Tyro QUOTE (Ancient History @ Nov 20 2008, 06... Nov 21 2008, 02:50 AM Ancient History De nada. Nov 21 2008, 02:51 AM Fuchs I recently made a character with BP and then with ... Nov 21 2008, 07:59 AM Fuchs A bullet's DV doesn't care if the troll is... Nov 21 2008, 12:49 PM The Jopp QUOTE (Fuchs @ Nov 21 2008, 01:49 PM) A b... Nov 21 2008, 01:12 PM toturi QUOTE (The Jopp @ Nov 21 2008, 09:12 PM) ... Nov 21 2008, 01:22 PM Glyph QUOTE (The Jopp @ Nov 21 2008, 07:12 AM) ... Nov 21 2008, 01:31 PM Cain QUOTE (The Jopp @ Nov 21 2008, 05:12 AM) ... Nov 21 2008, 07:01 PM hobgoblin makes me ponder if not the attributes should be a ... Nov 21 2008, 01:02 PM Fuchs Do you really think a pixie character with above a... Nov 21 2008, 01:06 PM Fuchs Let's say I am an individual with very low str... Nov 21 2008, 01:18 PM Muspellsheimr Not to mention that going by the "3 is averag... Nov 21 2008, 06:39 PM Fortune QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Nov 22 2008, 05:39... Nov 21 2008, 06:47 PM Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 21 2008, 11:47 AM) N... Nov 21 2008, 07:28 PM masterofm Ok I had to throw my hat into this slog fest only ... Nov 21 2008, 08:36 PM Whipstitch Plus, Body does things other than determine how we... Nov 21 2008, 08:44 PM ElFenrir You know, reading this thread again, but it almost... Nov 21 2008, 08:58 PM krayola red QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Nov 21 2008, 12:58 PM) ... Nov 21 2008, 10:01 PM Muspellsheimr Actually Orks do receive a huge benefit under Karm... Nov 21 2008, 10:14 PM krayola red Eh, I think elves and dwarves are about the same. ... Nov 21 2008, 10:28 PM Ancient History One of the untold joys of freelancing is the quiet... Nov 22 2008, 12:26 AM krayola red Bah, if gamers had the kind of common sense you... Nov 22 2008, 12:36 AM masterofm Not to mention that you make a large leap in an as... Nov 23 2008, 01:43 AM Thadeus Bearpaw QUOTE (masterofm @ Nov 22 2008, 07:43 PM)... Nov 23 2008, 01:56 AM toturi QUOTE (Thadeus Bearpaw @ Nov 23 2008, 09... Nov 23 2008, 02:27 AM masterofm What my argument is that you are applying what you... Nov 23 2008, 03:50 AM Warlordtheft Ok, stupid question, why isn't there a karma c... Nov 23 2008, 05:22 AM Glyph QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Nov 22 2008, 11:22 ... Nov 23 2008, 05:55 AM Cthulhudreams Because the Karma system unfairly punishes you for... Nov 23 2008, 05:46 AM Cthulhudreams I'd note that the Edge penalty and agility bon... Nov 23 2008, 06:19 AM  |
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