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Neraph
post Dec 6 2008, 06:35 PM
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Did you know that Force 1 Nuclear elementals can theorhetically kill Great Dragons? Neither did I, until I took a closer look at them.

A nuclear elemental is simply a toxic fire elemental. Fire elementals aren't really that dangerous, neccessarily. However, as soon as that fire elemental gets corrupted (I think that's the metamagic), its Energy Aura, Energy Attack, and Engulf attacks change from (Fire) to (Radiation). Street Magic kinda tells us a little about radiation damage; how it's treated as physical damage and how it ignores armor. That in and of itself is really dangerous.

But it gets worse.

Enter Arsenal, on the bottom of page 167, where it starts refining radiation damage. It remains physical damage that ignores armor, but now it's also treated as a pathogen, as per Augmentation, page 129.

There are 4 forms of radiation listed in Arsenal; Mild, Moderate, Severe, and Deadly. Now all of them have Speeds that also have a timer next to them like pathogens, but unlike pathogens there's no minimum amount of intervals. I'd imagine that means they keep going until actual medical care is given, but that's not the important part.

The important part is how it states
QUOTE (Arsenal, pg 168)
The long-term effects of radiation hazards, contamination, and cumulative irradiation on characters uses the same mechanics given for pathogens...
(emphasis added). This means that even if you reduce the power of the attack down to 0 and take no damage from the attack, since you were subject to said radiation, it starts to accrue. And as soon as you accrue Deadly levels of radiation, even if you took no damage from the radiation, you still enter a state known as the walking ghost phase, which means you have 1-4 days before you enter into
QUOTE (Arsenal, pg. 169)
... general organ failure and total metabolic shutdown.


One of the very interesting things about Energy Aura is how, irregardless of the Force of the elemental, it deals a set +4 DV, and if you strike it with a melee attack, you're subject to a 4 DV attack of said element. 4 DV with 0 penetration is exactly like Mild Radiation Poisoning. So when you hit this F1 Nuclear Spirit, you have to save vs. 4 Radiation damage. Even if you reduce the DV to 0, since you were subjected to Mild Radiation Poisoning, you're still mildly irradiated. Additional attacks will accrue the radiation poisoning until, after who knows how many hot sources you're exposed to, you hit Severe Radiation Poisoning, and, even though you haven't taken damage, you have 1-4 days to live.

Now normally it'd be easy to stay away from these things, but we can do mean things like have them on the astral plane, moving their 5 kM/CT to keep up with/catch up to the group, then materialize (in 2 IPs, IIRC) right beside the players. Most people would just smack it, and that would induce radiation poisoning. Or, you could have them posess other creatures, and have said creatures get into melee range.

The point being, it's easy to use an elemental that inflicts radiation damange to induce radiation poisoning in a group.

Let's take a F6 or F8 Nuclear Elemental's Energy Attack (Radiation). A f6 would take 1 or 2 (maybe 3 if you're feeling generous) to reach Deadly Radiation Poisoning, since 6 DV is slightly above Severe Poisoning. And that's ignoring net hits increasing DV. On the other hand, a F8 Nuclear Elemental's base DV is already 8, wich starts us out in Deadly Radiation Poisoning levels.

Considering a magic 1 toxic shaman can summon f1 Nuclear spirits, and it only takes a magic 4 shaman to summon f8 nuclear spirits, I think the world just got a lot more dangerous.

Interesting, no?
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- Neraph   Nuclear Elementals   Dec 6 2008, 06:35 PM
- - Ancient History   Two things. QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 6 2008, 07...   Dec 6 2008, 06:52 PM
|- - AllTheNothing   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Dec 6 2008, 07:5...   Dec 7 2008, 02:07 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Dec 6 2008, 12:5...   Dec 7 2008, 05:01 PM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 7 2008, 06:01 PM) Act...   Dec 7 2008, 05:09 PM
- - Stahlseele   and isn't cancer cureable in SR?   Dec 6 2008, 08:10 PM
- - hobgoblin   localized cancer maybe, but iirc, with enough radi...   Dec 6 2008, 08:32 PM
- - Starmage21   DNA can be successfully rewritten however the doc ...   Dec 6 2008, 10:30 PM
- - WeaverMount   Yeah just write a retro virus that replaces all DN...   Dec 6 2008, 10:32 PM
- - Stahlseele   there's probably even an immunization to cance...   Dec 6 2008, 10:32 PM
- - hobgoblin   may take time tho, and be costly... oh, and be su...   Dec 6 2008, 11:11 PM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 6 2008, 06:11 PM) ...   Dec 6 2008, 11:14 PM
- - hobgoblin   heh, i dont think health insurance covers radiatio...   Dec 6 2008, 11:28 PM
- - Hagga   Not complete immunity - check out uncontrolled met...   Dec 7 2008, 01:13 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE Keep in mind that radiation dosages are subj...   Dec 7 2008, 02:01 AM
- - Maelstrome   (from what little i've read about radiation po...   Dec 7 2008, 02:13 AM
- - hobgoblin   easy, the amount of damage boxes done after initia...   Dec 7 2008, 02:15 AM
- - Hagga   Divided by 100. You pick up a fair bit of radiatio...   Dec 7 2008, 04:27 AM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Hagga @ Dec 7 2008, 05:27 AM) Divi...   Dec 7 2008, 10:47 AM
- - hyzmarca   I also have to wonder how the called shot rules ef...   Dec 7 2008, 04:38 AM
|- - TheOOB   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Dec 6 2008, 11:38 PM) I...   Dec 7 2008, 08:07 AM
|- - Cabral   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Dec 7 2008, 12:38 AM) I...   Dec 7 2008, 08:37 AM
- - Hagga   They're likely to stock up on Potassium Iodide...   Dec 7 2008, 08:14 AM
|- - AngelisStorm   QUOTE (Hagga @ Dec 7 2008, 03:14 AM) They...   Dec 7 2008, 01:09 PM
- - Rad   This totally makes me want a full-auto Graser.   Dec 7 2008, 12:32 PM
- - hobgoblin   RE: Nuclear Elementals   Dec 7 2008, 12:42 PM
|- - Rad   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 7 2008, 04:42 AM) ...   Dec 7 2008, 01:27 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Rad @ Dec 7 2008, 02:27 PM) Gama R...   Dec 7 2008, 03:32 PM
- - hyzmarca   Given the damned near impossibility of focusing ga...   Dec 7 2008, 02:11 PM
- - Neraph   Why not? Arsenal states that Radiation Poisoning w...   Dec 7 2008, 05:16 PM
|- - AllTheNothing   QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 7 2008, 06:16 PM) Why...   Dec 7 2008, 05:43 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Dec 7 2008, 11:43 ...   Dec 7 2008, 05:47 PM
||- - AllTheNothing   QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 7 2008, 06:47 PM) No ...   Dec 7 2008, 07:54 PM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Dec 7 2008, 01:43 ...   Dec 7 2008, 05:51 PM
- - hobgoblin   so the gray area is the (potential) accumulative e...   Dec 7 2008, 05:29 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 7 2008, 11:29 AM) ...   Dec 7 2008, 05:30 PM
- - Snow_Fox   I'll assume that a 'nuclear spirit' is...   Dec 7 2008, 05:31 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 11:31 AM) I...   Dec 7 2008, 05:36 PM
|- - AllTheNothing   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 06:31 PM) I...   Dec 7 2008, 05:52 PM
- - hobgoblin   and going over the hazard chapter of arsenal (the ...   Dec 7 2008, 05:40 PM
- - Snow_Fox   right, then the rule, thank you for giving the sou...   Dec 7 2008, 05:52 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 06:52 PM) r...   Dec 7 2008, 06:00 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 11:52 AM) r...   Dec 7 2008, 06:00 PM
||- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 7 2008, 07:00 PM) No ...   Dec 7 2008, 06:05 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 7 2008, 12:05 PM) ...   Dec 7 2008, 06:11 PM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 01:52 PM) r...   Dec 7 2008, 06:03 PM
- - Neraph   QUOTE (Arsenal, pg. 168)The long-term effects of r...   Dec 7 2008, 05:57 PM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 7 2008, 12:57 PM) The...   Dec 7 2008, 10:34 PM
- - Snow_Fox   Rage, I understand that it is the rules which say ...   Dec 7 2008, 06:13 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 12:13 PM) R...   Dec 7 2008, 06:16 PM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 02:13 PM) R...   Dec 7 2008, 06:22 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 07:13 PM) R...   Dec 7 2008, 06:36 PM
- - Snow_Fox   My point is that the writer has failed to caputre ...   Dec 7 2008, 06:17 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 12:17 PM) M...   Dec 7 2008, 06:22 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Dec 7 2008, 11:17 AM) M...   Dec 7 2008, 07:22 PM
- - AllTheNothing   To Snow Fox: My lady you are indeed right about r...   Dec 7 2008, 08:10 PM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Dec 7 2008, 04:10 ...   Dec 7 2008, 09:38 PM
- - Fortune   Depends on just what you have an aptitude for. It ...   Dec 7 2008, 10:24 PM
- - masterofm   I am just confused why they are still arguing this...   Dec 7 2008, 10:36 PM
- - hobgoblin   hey, this is dumpshock, what else is there to do?   Dec 7 2008, 11:28 PM
|- - AllTheNothing   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 8 2008, 12:28 AM) ...   Dec 8 2008, 01:48 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Dec 8 2008, 02:48 ...   Dec 8 2008, 02:05 PM
|- - AllTheNothing   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 8 2008, 03:05 PM) ...   Dec 8 2008, 05:23 PM
- - Stahlseele   create seriously over the top characters that are,...   Dec 7 2008, 11:31 PM
- - toturi   I'd examine this with respect to RAW (disclaim...   Dec 8 2008, 12:50 AM
- - Neraph   Inferring and assuming that any amount of magical ...   Dec 8 2008, 05:07 AM
- - Neraph   Maybe this will help: Normal mages summon Muffin ...   Dec 8 2008, 05:22 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 8 2008, 01:22 PM) May...   Dec 8 2008, 06:00 AM
- - pbangarth   There's something in this thread that is being...   Dec 8 2008, 06:05 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Dec 8 2008, 12:05 AM) ...   Dec 8 2008, 06:29 AM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 7 2008, 11:29 PM) Act...   Dec 8 2008, 08:26 PM
- - Daddy's Little Ninja   I think SF was merely showing nuclear power and en...   Dec 8 2008, 07:51 PM
- - Maelstrome   target wastelands has a lot of good info on radiat...   Dec 8 2008, 09:44 PM
- - Kev   Were I to rule the effects of secondary radiation ...   Dec 8 2008, 09:45 PM


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