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Let me begin by apologizing to everyone if this question has been asked before, but I did a search and could not find it on the board; I was equally not able to turn up the answer to my question when reading the SR4 errata.

I am experiencing some confusion understanding the rules pertaining to flechette rules (especially in relation to shotguns) in SR4.

I have played Shadowrun from version 1 to 3, but am just now taking up version 4, so I do have some background knowledge as to game concepts, but I am really baffled here. A lot of changes from SR2/3 to 4! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)

When I read the rules for the shotguns firing buckshot with a tight choke, it tells me to use standard damage values of +2DV, +2AP. Okay, that I understand. But on the same page, it says to use the rules for flechettes when firing buckshot.

So I look up the rules for flechettes later in the SR4 sourcebook, and it tells me that they are +2DV, but "the effective value" for Impact Armor is adjusted +5AP. This is where I am confused.

When it says "the effective value" above, does that mean that the effective value of the Impact Armor is +5AP only to determine if it inflicts Stun vs. Physical damage? Or is it +5AP instead of +2AP as noted in the shotgun rules? I am quite confused.

On an off-topic, as someone who has fired 3-inch 00 buckshot...that stuff can kill a black bear! I can understand some regular shot being tame but...I guess that's just my opinion. Why SR has always made it so weak is beyond me. I don't know anything about real-life body armor so for all I know it might stop buckshot...
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- Sortilege   Flechette Round Rule Confusion (especially pertaining to shotguns)   Jan 17 2009, 06:51 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   http://shadowrun4.com/resources/sr4/sr4_errata_v18...   Jan 17 2009, 07:54 AM
- - Beetle   Your rules are a tad out of date, check the link M...   Jan 17 2009, 03:29 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Beetle @ Jan 17 2009, 11:29 AM) wh...   Jan 18 2009, 03:16 AM
|- - Sortilege   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jan 17 2009, 09:16...   Jan 18 2009, 04:14 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Sortilege @ Jan 17 2009, 09:14 PM)...   Jan 18 2009, 05:35 AM
- - Falconer   Also remember that if the target has no armor, it ...   Jan 17 2009, 03:57 PM
- - Dr Funfrock   Sort of related to this topic, have the devs said ...   Jan 17 2009, 04:19 PM
|- - Beetle   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jan 17 2009, 11:19 A...   Jan 17 2009, 04:49 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Beetle @ Jan 17 2009, 11:49 AM) Wh...   Jan 17 2009, 05:36 PM
- - Fix-it   QUOTE (Sortilege @ Jan 17 2009, 12:51 AM)...   Jan 17 2009, 05:51 PM
- - Warlordtheft   Here's a primer on body armor. http://en.wikip...   Jan 17 2009, 06:02 PM
- - Dr Funfrock   Given the fairly ridiculous damage being done (9P ...   Jan 17 2009, 06:26 PM
- - hobgoblin   well, a assault rifle firing long bursts can do so...   Jan 17 2009, 06:38 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (Sortilege @ Jan 16 2009, 10:51 PM)...   Jan 17 2009, 06:49 PM
- - hobgoblin   spell grounding was removed back in SR3...   Jan 17 2009, 06:58 PM
- - Squinky   My only beef with Flechette ammunition is the cost...   Jan 17 2009, 09:31 PM
|- - AngelisStorm   QUOTE (Squinky @ Jan 17 2009, 04:31 PM) M...   Jan 18 2009, 02:06 AM
- - Fix-it   no. there is a difference between Flechettes and B...   Jan 17 2009, 09:46 PM
- - kzt   Not in the comic books that whoever wrote the gun ...   Jan 17 2009, 09:53 PM
- - hobgoblin   rule of cool...   Jan 17 2009, 10:07 PM
- - Sortilege   Thanks all for the replies and clarification. I a...   Jan 17 2009, 11:17 PM
- - Muspellsheimr   I would just like to say: Fiendish Dire Chicken S...   Jan 17 2009, 11:47 PM
- - Dr Funfrock   It's actually specifically stated in the rules...   Jan 18 2009, 03:36 AM
|- - Sortilege   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jan 17 2009, 09:36 P...   Jan 18 2009, 04:20 AM
- - Dr Funfrock   Yeah, people will always complain when a particula...   Jan 18 2009, 04:21 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jan 18 2009, 12:21 A...   Jan 18 2009, 06:07 AM
- - Dr Funfrock   Yeah, it's just the one that people immediatel...   Jan 18 2009, 06:10 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jan 18 2009, 01:10 A...   Jan 18 2009, 07:04 AM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jan 18 2009, 02:04...   Jan 18 2009, 05:35 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jan 18 2009, 12:35 P...   Jan 18 2009, 06:44 PM
- - kzt   I like the previous attempt by one of authors of S...   Jan 18 2009, 06:27 AM
- - AngelisStorm   ... where as a stick of dynamite held in your hand...   Jan 18 2009, 06:59 AM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Jan 18 2009, 07:59 ...   Jan 18 2009, 01:11 PM
- - Dr Funfrock   Not personally, but other, more adventurous souls ...   Jan 19 2009, 04:06 AM


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