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First Question:

SR4A
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as a result every net hit used to increase the damage value of a Direct Combat spell also increases the Drain DV of the spell by +1.

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The spellcaster can always choose to use less than the total number of hits rolled in a Spellcasting Test.


What exactly does this mean? When do I have exactly choose which hits or net hits I use?

1) I can choose to use several net hits to increase the chance that my spell is not resistet in the opposed test but after the opposed test I can use less net hits for not increasing my drain.
Example: Stunbolt, magic+sorcery vs will+counterspell, 4 net hits, I choose that only one net hit is used => drain and damage only goes up by +1

2) I must choose the number of net hits used in the opposed test *before* the opposed test is made to determine my drain
Example1: Stunbolt, magic+sorcery = 8 hits, I choose only to use 2 hit, will+counterspell = 1 hit => 1 net hit, drain/damage +1
Example2: Stunbolt, magic+sorcery = 8 hits, I choose to use all 8 hits, will+counterspell = 1 hit => 7 net hit, drain/damage +7

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Second Question:
Synner mentioned that the Karma generation rules in RC will be updated for SR4A. I assume that the attribute cost for the karma generation system is increased from x3 to x5 to match the SR4A karma rules for attributes. Are other changes planed or can at least the basic races (human etc) be re-generated using the adapted karma genereration rules?
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- apple   SR4A - Nets Hits vs Hits   Mar 14 2009, 07:52 PM
- - HappyDaze   For your first question, option 2) seems the most ...   Mar 14 2009, 08:02 PM
- - Angier   nice to see you around, apple. as you know I'm...   Mar 14 2009, 08:05 PM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE as you know I'm with HappyDaze. But it...   Mar 14 2009, 08:06 PM
- - Malicant   2) does not make much sense to me. Both sides make...   Mar 14 2009, 08:12 PM
- - HappyDaze   Actually, it makes more sense. If you're goin...   Mar 14 2009, 08:31 PM
- - Malicant   No it doesn't. It's an opposed test, not a...   Mar 14 2009, 08:48 PM
- - Shinobi Killfist   I choose option 2 because I dub it the cooler answ...   Mar 14 2009, 08:50 PM
- - wind_in_the_stones   Apple, You're asking if (1) you keep all hits ...   Mar 14 2009, 09:26 PM
- - Glyph   I would go with Malicant and choose 1. It's b...   Mar 14 2009, 09:27 PM
- - Angier   This sentence was already included in previous ver...   Mar 14 2009, 09:32 PM
- - wind_in_the_stones   Given the wording: as a result every net hit used ...   Mar 14 2009, 09:46 PM
- - apple   It is a direct quote from the PDF ... and I didnt ...   Mar 14 2009, 10:02 PM
- - Zormal   I would go with 1 just on the basis of fluent game...   Mar 14 2009, 10:37 PM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (SR4A @ pg. 204.)"Direct Combat s...   Mar 14 2009, 10:45 PM
- - Draco18s   As a mage, I'd then overcast significantly mor...   Mar 14 2009, 10:51 PM
- - Malicant   And that is the root of all evil, the reason why I...   Mar 14 2009, 10:53 PM
- - Zormal   Yes, overcasting definitely seems to be the 'w...   Mar 14 2009, 11:10 PM
|- - Caadium   QUOTE (Zormal @ Mar 14 2009, 04:10 PM) Ye...   Mar 15 2009, 07:32 AM
- - Synner   Apple - As I understand your posting, option 1 is ...   Mar 15 2009, 01:51 AM
|- - Abschalten   QUOTE (Synner @ Mar 14 2009, 09:51 PM) Ex...   Mar 15 2009, 02:48 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Synner @ Mar 15 2009, 02:51 AM) In...   Mar 19 2009, 09:05 PM
- - pbangarth   What a wonderful example of how an advance PDF can...   Mar 15 2009, 01:54 AM
- - Malicant   Thank you very much for clearing this up.   Mar 15 2009, 01:59 AM
- - Synner   You are correct, it's been a long day and I mi...   Mar 15 2009, 03:06 AM
- - wind_in_the_stones   Synner, do the authors have an official position o...   Mar 15 2009, 04:19 AM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Mar 14 2009, 11...   Mar 16 2009, 09:32 PM
- - Draco18s   Doesn't matter, does it? "I use 1 net hi...   Mar 15 2009, 04:36 AM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 14 2009, 10:36 PM) ...   Mar 15 2009, 06:42 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Mar 15 2009, 06:42 AM)...   Mar 15 2009, 08:12 AM
|- - Zormal   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 15 2009, 10:12 AM) I...   Mar 15 2009, 08:45 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Zormal @ Mar 15 2009, 08:45 AM) No...   Mar 15 2009, 09:27 AM
|- - BlueMax   QUOTE (Zormal @ Mar 15 2009, 01:45 AM) Th...   Mar 15 2009, 03:16 PM
|- - cndblank   Since a Mage is pumping Mana in to the target, I t...   Mar 21 2009, 08:46 PM
- - wind_in_the_stones   Ah, right. I was thinking in terms of... it being ...   Mar 15 2009, 04:49 AM
- - Cain   The problem is, on an overcast spell in SR4.5, you...   Mar 15 2009, 07:43 AM
|- - Caadium   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 15 2009, 12:43 AM) The ...   Mar 15 2009, 07:57 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Caadium @ Mar 14 2009, 11:57 PM) R...   Mar 15 2009, 05:59 PM
|- - Dunsany   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 15 2009, 12:59 PM) I ha...   Mar 15 2009, 09:00 PM
- - HappyDaze   I'm still going to stick with deciding how man...   Mar 15 2009, 01:34 PM
- - hobgoblin   why do i get the mental image of a wizboy casting ...   Mar 15 2009, 01:40 PM
- - Malicant   It won't feel better to the mage suffering fro...   Mar 15 2009, 01:41 PM
- - hobgoblin   hey, if one want dependable drain, use indirect sp...   Mar 15 2009, 01:52 PM
- - Malicant   Why not add such a random drain thingy to everythi...   Mar 15 2009, 02:01 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Malicant @ Mar 15 2009, 10:01 AM) ...   Mar 15 2009, 03:21 PM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Mar 15 2009, 04...   Mar 15 2009, 03:27 PM
- - It trolls!   I'm with Malicant on this. While this rule doe...   Mar 15 2009, 02:26 PM
|- - Zormal   QUOTE (It trolls! @ Mar 15 2009, 04:2...   Mar 16 2009, 11:27 AM
- - Malicant   The best (i.e. most entertaining) argument defendi...   Mar 15 2009, 02:31 PM
- - It trolls!   QUOTE (Synner)Again for the record, I did not and ...   Mar 15 2009, 02:48 PM
- - Malicant   Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.   Mar 15 2009, 02:50 PM
|- - Larsine   QUOTE (Malicant @ Mar 15 2009, 03:50 PM) ...   Mar 16 2009, 10:19 AM
- - pbangarth   Overcasting any spell, Orgasm or Powerball, to the...   Mar 15 2009, 04:54 PM
- - Angier   This is part of a certain part of fluff, not all. ...   Mar 15 2009, 05:15 PM
- - Angier   like I said - there ARE stories of it in the fluff...   Mar 15 2009, 06:03 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE I have *never*. not in 20 years, seen a mage...   Mar 15 2009, 06:09 PM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 15 2009, 01:09 PM) It...   Mar 17 2009, 12:59 PM
- - knasser   Because I haven't seen it pointed out yet (apo...   Mar 15 2009, 07:25 PM
|- - Dunsany   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 15 2009, 02:25 PM) B...   Mar 15 2009, 09:22 PM
- - Glyph   Don't forget that indirect combat spells have ...   Mar 15 2009, 07:58 PM
- - Mikado   What I don't understand is why they took a mec...   Mar 16 2009, 12:04 AM
- - JoelHalpern   In a conceptual sense, the mage gets hit coming an...   Mar 16 2009, 02:33 PM
|- - Caadium   QUOTE (JoelHalpern @ Mar 16 2009, 07:33 A...   Mar 16 2009, 09:09 PM
- - Raizer   Can someone help me understand this contradiction ...   Mar 16 2009, 08:29 PM
|- - Mikado   QUOTE (Raizer @ Mar 16 2009, 03:29 PM) Ca...   Mar 16 2009, 08:39 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Mikado @ Mar 16 2009, 08:39 PM) I ...   Mar 16 2009, 09:10 PM
- - Falconer   Here's a catch I see in here a lot of people a...   Mar 17 2009, 02:37 AM
- - wind_in_the_stones   Thematically speaking... I'm channeling energ...   Mar 18 2009, 04:18 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Mar 17 2009, 08...   Mar 18 2009, 05:06 AM
- - Mercurian   The way I see it, thematically speaking, the total...   Mar 18 2009, 08:40 PM
- - pbangarth   Intuitively, it would make sense if the Drain of a...   Mar 18 2009, 10:12 PM
- - Falconer   I've had a little time to think this over. An...   Mar 18 2009, 11:35 PM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (Falconer @ Mar 18 2009, 11:35 PM) ...   Mar 19 2009, 09:34 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Mar 19 2009, 04...   Mar 19 2009, 09:43 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Mar 19 2009, 09...   Mar 19 2009, 09:53 PM
|- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Mar 19 2009, 04...   Mar 21 2009, 05:41 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   Hamsters are actually better, assuming they have a...   Mar 19 2009, 09:48 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 19 2009, 04:48 P...   Mar 19 2009, 09:57 PM
- - Draco18s   Except that it has been very clearly stated that t...   Mar 21 2009, 05:46 AM
|- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 21 2009, 12:46 AM) ...   Mar 21 2009, 05:53 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Mar 21 2009, 12...   Mar 21 2009, 06:08 AM
|- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 21 2009, 01:08 AM) ...   Mar 21 2009, 11:14 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Mar 21 2009, 06...   Mar 22 2009, 02:16 AM
- - Cain   Apparently, net successes used to determine if you...   Mar 21 2009, 06:58 AM
|- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 21 2009, 01:58 AM) Appa...   Mar 21 2009, 11:24 PM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Mar 22 2009, 12...   Mar 23 2009, 04:18 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   I'd rather like to see one of the devs confirm...   Mar 21 2009, 05:51 PM
- - wind_in_the_stones   *shrug*   Mar 22 2009, 02:40 AM
- - TheOOB   I've personally always liked the idea that eve...   Mar 22 2009, 08:09 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (TheOOB @ Mar 22 2009, 12:09 AM) I...   Mar 22 2009, 08:16 AM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Glyph @ Mar 22 2009, 04:16 AM) Bah...   Mar 22 2009, 09:09 AM
|- - Dunsany   QUOTE (TheOOB @ Mar 22 2009, 03:09 AM) I...   Mar 22 2009, 01:56 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   My opinion exactly. The Runner's Companion see...   Mar 22 2009, 11:55 PM


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