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Ayeohx
post Mar 29 2009, 05:57 AM
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Man, I sure hope I'm reading this crap wrong. The damage to passengers from ramming seems WAY over the top. I'm going to give a scenario using the rules that way I understand it. If I'm wrong please correct me.

From what I'm seeing, ramming happens anytime someone wants to drive their vehicle into someone else's, be it a head-on collision, a sideswipe or ramming into the rear of the vehicle, correct? Even it is ramming into the side the damage is insane.
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Scenario:

A team of runners hijack a bus (a Vista from the Arsenal book). The team is slowly rolling at 30 meters a turn due to traffic (I think this is about 22 mph, btw). They are running from a rival shadowrunner team in a GMC Hermes van. The Hermes van rams into the bus. This isn't a head-on collision, just a hard slam into the side while driving parallel. If this situation isn't a ram (let me know!) then assume that the Hermes is t-boning the bus.
The ram is successful, moving onto damage.

Stats:
Hermes Van - Rammer
Body 17
Armor 6
Speed 30 meters/round

Vista (Bus) - Rammee
Body 20
Armor 4
Speed 30 meters/round

Outcome:
The Vista bus, and everyone in it, must resist DV 17 (the Body of the Hermes).
The bus rolls 24 dice (Armor+Body). That's 6 auto successes. The bus takes 11 damage. It has 7 boxes left.

The soon to be dead guys in the bus roll their Body+ 1/2 Impact Armor + 4 (the bus's armor).
The troll enforcer, with a Body 9 + 3 from the Lined Coat & Natural Armor + 4 for the vehicle's armor, gets to roll 16 dice. He gets 4 hits and take 13 boxes. He's out and bleeding to death.
The hacker, the mage and the face fare even worse; the hacker dies instantly and the others are bleeding to death.
All are knocked unconscious and when they crash into the car in front of them they are die instantly.

The Hermes, and everyone in it, must resist DV 10 (1/2 the body of the Vista bus).
The Hermes rolls 23 dice. 5 auto successes. The Hermes takes 5 damage. It has 12 boxes left.

The Street Sam rolls 12 dice and gets 3 successes. He takes 7 damage. 5 boxes to go.
The hacker rolls 11 dice and gets 2 successes. He takes 8 damage. 2 boxes to go.
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This can't be right. A 22 mph ram would never do this damage. Never ever. We had a truck with a snow plow tbone a school bus last year. No casualties; one kid in the hospital with a broken limb. Hell, my friend drove us into guard rail at around 20 mph (ice on the corner turn) and we dented the car. Oh, and no casualties (or airbag deployment, come to think of it... I shouldn't have bought that car).

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- Ayeohx   Ramming ... WTF?!   Mar 29 2009, 05:57 AM
- - Ayeohx   Oh, and if this is how ramming works, then most bi...   Mar 29 2009, 06:12 AM
- - Matsci   Yeah, ramming is brutal. I've been running it ...   Mar 29 2009, 06:22 AM
|- - Alex   QUOTE (Matsci @ Mar 29 2009, 12:22 AM) Ye...   Mar 29 2009, 06:39 AM
|- - Ayeohx   QUOTE (Matsci @ Mar 28 2009, 11:22 PM) Ye...   Mar 29 2009, 02:42 PM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Ayeohx @ Mar 29 2009, 09:42 AM) So...   Mar 29 2009, 03:42 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Ayeohx @ Mar 29 2009, 03:42 PM) An...   Mar 29 2009, 04:37 PM
||- - Ayeohx   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 29 2009, 09:37 AM)...   Mar 29 2009, 07:56 PM
||- - Ayeohx   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 29 2009, 09:37 AM)...   Mar 29 2009, 08:32 PM
||- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Ayeohx @ Mar 29 2009, 09:32 PM) Co...   Mar 30 2009, 04:31 AM
||- - Red-ROM   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 29 2009, 11:31 PM)...   Apr 25 2009, 07:39 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 29 2009, 10:31 PM)...   Apr 26 2009, 02:33 AM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 25 2009, 09...   Apr 26 2009, 04:06 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 26 2009, 10:06 AM) ...   Apr 26 2009, 04:10 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 26 2009, 11...   Apr 26 2009, 06:19 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ayeohx @ Mar 29 2009, 09:42 AM) So...   Mar 29 2009, 04:56 PM
- - Zurai   That is the D20 Modern ramming damage modifier tab...   Mar 29 2009, 06:54 AM
- - Alex   It's really late so I didn't get the chanc...   Mar 29 2009, 07:25 AM
- - kzt   The ramming and collision rules are particularly p...   Mar 29 2009, 07:52 AM
- - hobgoblin   err, the damage is based on the ramming vehicle, s...   Mar 29 2009, 08:19 AM
|- - Zurai   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 29 2009, 04:19 AM)...   Mar 29 2009, 08:50 AM
- - hobgoblin   heh, i actually have the d20 modern books, but its...   Mar 29 2009, 08:59 AM
- - Stahlseele   solution: substract lower speed from higher speed,...   Mar 29 2009, 04:56 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 29 2009, 09:56 AM...   Mar 29 2009, 05:32 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 29 2009, 06...   Mar 29 2009, 06:29 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 29 2009, 11:29 AM...   Mar 29 2009, 07:45 PM
- - kzt   That doesn't completely make sense. (Yeah, I ...   Mar 29 2009, 05:09 PM
- - Draco18s   You're assuming someone is loose inside the bo...   Mar 29 2009, 05:25 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 29 2009, 10:25 AM) ...   Mar 29 2009, 05:35 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 29 2009, 11:25 AM) ...   Mar 29 2009, 07:40 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (kzt @ Mar 29 2009, 08:40 PM) Sure....   Mar 30 2009, 04:22 AM
- - Stahlseele   even though you have made my approach more complic...   Mar 29 2009, 07:55 PM
- - Stahlseele   dunno if they are, i managed to get around the who...   Mar 29 2009, 08:14 PM
- - Stahlseele   am . . am i the only one who thinks that that is ...   Mar 29 2009, 08:52 PM
|- - Ayeohx   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 29 2009, 01:52 PM...   Mar 29 2009, 09:10 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Ayeohx @ Mar 29 2009, 12:57 AM) Th...   Mar 30 2009, 12:19 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Mar 29 2009, 05:19 P...   Mar 30 2009, 12:38 AM
- - eidolon   With any luck, the powers that be are going to be ...   Apr 25 2009, 08:01 PM
- - kzt   Armored vehicles striking people don't get dam...   Apr 25 2009, 08:06 PM
- - Red-ROM   I like the idea that the vehicle soaks the damage,...   Apr 26 2009, 07:08 PM
- - Stahlseele   . . you know, now that you wrote it out like that,...   Apr 26 2009, 07:20 PM


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