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post Apr 17 2009, 09:35 PM
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Let's say you get rid of the whole idea of "initiative passes." Everyone takes one set of actions per combat turn.

Wired reflexes, improved reflexes, etc. would have reduced functioning, so let's say their prices are reduced by a large amount (nuyen, drain rating, etc. all get chopped down). They would still give bonuses to initiative, possibly Reaction, or Dodge skill, or whatever.

Do you think a change like this would make Shadowrun 4 combat more or less fun for a greater number of players (obviously combat monkeys would grumble, but would it really make them terribly worse at what they do?)? Would it make character creation more fun if you didn't have to worry about IP boosters? Would it make throwing street thugs and goons at players more fun from the GM's perspective?

I don't have enough experience with the system to judge. I am curious what other issues a house-rule like this might bring up.

I was playing with a group of new players the other day, and one of the first things I noticed was that they made the mistake of not gobbling up enough IP boosters (my hacker and drones were running around with 3 IPs, while the street sam and mage had 1 each). It seemed lame to be stuck with 1 action just because you didn't realize how ridiculously important IPs were.
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- Veggiesama   Everyone gets 1 IP!   Apr 17 2009, 09:35 PM
- - BlueMax   My Sunday Night game plays with 3 IP for all chara...   Apr 17 2009, 09:51 PM
|- - Veggiesama   QUOTE (BlueMax @ Apr 17 2009, 05:51 PM) M...   Apr 18 2009, 02:04 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Veggiesama @ Apr 17 2009, 09:04 PM...   Apr 18 2009, 02:08 AM
|- - BlueMax   QUOTE (Veggiesama @ Apr 17 2009, 07:04 PM...   Apr 18 2009, 02:08 AM
- - Red-ROM   take some cram, spend some edge. its what my NPC...   Apr 17 2009, 09:52 PM
- - Raizer   My advice for anyone wanting to slow down combat a...   Apr 18 2009, 04:34 AM
- - Malachi   A short time ago there were a couple threads that ...   Apr 18 2009, 04:58 AM
|- - BlueMax   QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 17 2009, 08:58 PM) A...   Apr 18 2009, 01:25 PM
|- - Dashifen   QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 17 2009, 10:58 PM) A...   Apr 23 2009, 09:18 PM
- - SpasticTeapot   I'm tempted to limit Wired Reflexes to level 2...   Apr 18 2009, 06:09 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (SpasticTeapot @ Apr 18 2009, 09:09...   Apr 18 2009, 08:09 AM
- - ElFenrir   I've heard of people dropping the price and es...   Apr 18 2009, 08:35 AM
- - crazyconscript   To be honest, i dont like the idea of changing the...   Apr 18 2009, 11:50 AM
|- - Malachi   QUOTE (crazyconscript @ Apr 18 2009, 05:5...   Apr 18 2009, 02:44 PM
|- - Kingboy   QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 18 2009, 10:44 AM) I...   Apr 18 2009, 03:28 PM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 18 2009, 05:44 PM) I...   Apr 20 2009, 04:18 PM
|- - Malachi   QUOTE (Stingray @ Apr 20 2009, 10:18 AM) ...   Apr 20 2009, 04:39 PM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 20 2009, 07:39 PM) A...   Apr 21 2009, 08:52 AM
|- - Malachi   QUOTE (Stingray @ Apr 21 2009, 02:52 AM) ...   Apr 21 2009, 04:40 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   On the topic of Matched IP's... Would you enfo...   Apr 18 2009, 03:41 PM
- - Veggiesama   The main reason I bring this up is for three reaso...   Apr 18 2009, 04:34 PM
- - psychophipps   My group has swapped to 1 IP per turn and it's...   Apr 18 2009, 06:05 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   Hey whatever works... Cyberpunk does the same thi...   Apr 18 2009, 07:00 PM
- - Raizer   If you want items with extra IP to mean less, chan...   Apr 18 2009, 09:05 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Raizer @ Apr 18 2009, 05:05 PM) If...   Apr 18 2009, 09:20 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2009, 02:20 PM) ...   Apr 19 2009, 01:00 AM
- - Five Eyes   I bounced around the idea of removing additional I...   Apr 19 2009, 12:32 AM
- - Five Eyes   Double post, oops.   Apr 19 2009, 12:33 AM
- - Heath Robinson   Oh, hey. A previous topic on the subject.   Apr 19 2009, 01:24 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Apr 18 2009, 06:2...   Apr 19 2009, 01:27 AM
|- - Veggiesama   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Apr 18 2009, 09:2...   Apr 19 2009, 02:37 AM
- - toturi   I also remember the SR2 combat system. Everyone wa...   Apr 19 2009, 03:15 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (toturi @ Apr 18 2009, 09:15 PM) I ...   Apr 19 2009, 04:56 PM
- - Larme   In SR3, you didn't have a set number of passes...   Apr 19 2009, 05:39 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 19 2009, 01:39 PM) I d...   Apr 19 2009, 06:23 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 19 2009, 12:23 PM) ...   Apr 19 2009, 06:28 PM
- - ElFenrir   Shifters, if I recall, get 2 IP's anyway, acco...   Apr 19 2009, 06:29 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 19 2009, 12:29 PM) ...   Apr 19 2009, 06:32 PM
- - ElFenrir   Now, I COULD be wrong here...but if so, they reall...   Apr 19 2009, 06:38 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 19 2009, 12:38 PM) ...   Apr 19 2009, 06:43 PM
|- - Five Eyes   Edit: Ninja'd, naturally.   Apr 19 2009, 06:47 PM
- - ElFenrir   Ahh, just misread it then. No problems here. (No...   Apr 19 2009, 06:45 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Apr 19 2009, 12:45 PM) ...   Apr 19 2009, 06:56 PM
- - Larme   Well anyway, I wasn't really including shapesh...   Apr 19 2009, 10:14 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 19 2009, 06:14 PM) Wel...   Apr 19 2009, 10:53 PM
- - Five Eyes   QUOTE (Larme @ Apr 19 2009, 06:14 PM) But...   Apr 19 2009, 11:30 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Five Eyes @ Apr 19 2009, 06:30 PM)...   Apr 20 2009, 06:25 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Five Eyes @ Apr 20 2009, 02:30 AM)...   Apr 20 2009, 07:03 AM
|- - Veggiesama   QUOTE (Mäx @ Apr 20 2009, 03:03 AM) That...   Apr 20 2009, 07:24 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Veggiesama @ Apr 20 2009, 10:24 AM...   Apr 20 2009, 07:39 AM
- - Floyd   I have some questions about the OP style of play i...   Apr 20 2009, 02:11 AM
|- - Veggiesama   QUOTE (Floyd @ Apr 19 2009, 10:11 PM) I h...   Apr 20 2009, 07:31 AM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Veggiesama @ Apr 20 2009, 08:31 AM...   Apr 20 2009, 02:22 PM
|- - Veggiesama   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Apr 20 2009, 10:2...   Apr 20 2009, 06:36 PM
- - Mekalus   Wow only one? I though for sure this would have be...   Apr 20 2009, 06:44 AM
- - Five Eyes   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Apr 20 2009, 02...   Apr 20 2009, 07:26 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Five Eyes @ Apr 20 2009, 03:26 AM)...   Apr 21 2009, 02:13 AM
- - deek   Somebody mentioned this above, but I'd like to...   Apr 20 2009, 01:21 PM
- - KX082   If the issue is a new player rolls up a Sam with o...   Apr 20 2009, 03:13 PM
- - Malachi   When I GM'd Shadowrun for a bunch of new playe...   Apr 20 2009, 03:28 PM
- - ornot   My opinion has been documented elsewhere, but for ...   Apr 20 2009, 04:01 PM
- - ornot   Don't take it as canon, but I believe in an un...   Apr 20 2009, 07:51 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (ornot @ Apr 20 2009, 01:51 PM) Don...   Apr 21 2009, 12:53 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 20 2009, 08...   Apr 21 2009, 02:15 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Apr 20 2009, 07...   Apr 21 2009, 11:11 PM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 21 2009, 06...   Apr 22 2009, 03:22 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Apr 21 2009, 09...   Apr 22 2009, 03:37 AM
|- - ornot   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 21 2009, 01...   Apr 21 2009, 09:13 AM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 21 2009, 01...   Apr 21 2009, 10:15 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Apr 21 2009, 03:1...   Apr 21 2009, 11:14 PM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 22 2009, 12...   Apr 22 2009, 10:59 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Apr 22 2009, 03:5...   Apr 23 2009, 12:47 AM
|- - ArkonC   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 23 2009, 01...   Apr 23 2009, 08:10 PM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 23 2009, 01...   Apr 23 2009, 08:34 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Apr 23 2009, 02:3...   Apr 23 2009, 11:37 PM
- - Malachi   Drones should be considered as "vehicles...   Apr 20 2009, 07:59 PM
- - psychophipps   I just have to say that removing extra IP, even wi...   Apr 20 2009, 09:24 PM
|- - KX082   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 20 2009, 10:24 ...   Apr 21 2009, 02:19 AM
- - ornot   Fair point. Typically I'd permit it, seeing as...   Apr 21 2009, 10:46 AM
- - Draco18s   Many guns aren't well suited to a firing selec...   Apr 21 2009, 04:58 PM
- - InfinityzeN   Dispite me posting an alternate in the other threa...   Apr 21 2009, 07:04 PM
- - Malachi   SR3 had a system similar to SR4 in that everyone g...   Apr 21 2009, 07:16 PM
- - InfinityzeN   *scratches head* Damn, I could have sworn I remem...   Apr 21 2009, 07:41 PM
- - Chrysalis   I like a 1 IP system. I usually play street sams w...   Apr 22 2009, 03:37 AM
- - Veggiesama   Don't worry, Shinobi, your mocking humor is no...   Apr 22 2009, 05:19 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Veggiesama @ Apr 21 2009, 10:19 PM...   Apr 23 2009, 12:48 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 22 2009, 08...   Apr 23 2009, 01:52 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Apr 22 2009, 06...   Apr 23 2009, 03:08 AM
- - Heath Robinson   The rules say you can. We're discussing the r...   Apr 24 2009, 12:05 AM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Apr 23 2009, 06:0...   Apr 24 2009, 12:53 AM


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