 Why are the archetypes so ridiculously bad? |
 Apr 23 2009, 08:49 PM
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Trying to get a new player into the game, and since I knew character creation can be a chore, I recommended that she pick an archetype instead.
She went for the weapons specialist because she wanted to "blow things up" with the Demolitions skill. I said "Cool," then I looked over the stats. 1 IP? Not a single cyber/bioware enhancement? The "Lucky" quality with an edge of THREE? Plus we don't even have a breakdown of stats for new players, like how much damage the Ares Predator does, or what attributes to add when making a skill test (i.e., does Gun Trivia use Logic or Intuition?). I wasn't expecting an optimized killing machine, but I was hoping that someone named a WEAPONS SPECIALIST could hold her own in a combat. I plan on going with it anyway and being lenient, but this still bummed me out. |
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Veggiesama Why are the archetypes so ridiculously bad? Apr 23 2009, 08:49 PM
Ryu Sample Character Archive Apr 23 2009, 08:58 PM Dhaise I hold to the theory that the archetypes are delib... Apr 23 2009, 09:25 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Dhaise @ Apr 23 2009, 04:25 PM) I ... Apr 23 2009, 10:00 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 23 2009, 04:00 PM) ... Apr 23 2009, 11:18 PM Fix-it QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 23 2009, 05... Apr 24 2009, 12:57 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Fix-it @ Apr 23 2009, 05:57 P... Apr 24 2009, 03:01 AM Medicineman QUOTE (Dhaise @ Apr 23 2009, 04:25 PM) I ... Apr 24 2009, 08:20 AM Caadium QUOTE (Medicineman @ Apr 24 2009, 01:20 A... Apr 24 2009, 08:34 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Caadium @ Apr 24 2009, 02:34 AM) I... Apr 26 2009, 02:47 AM Rasumichin As a GM, i've always used the sample archetype... Apr 23 2009, 09:38 PM BlueMax QUOTE (Rasumichin @ Apr 23 2009, 02:38 PM... Apr 23 2009, 09:42 PM Malachi The archetypes were revised in SR4A. Personally, ... Apr 23 2009, 11:18 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 23 2009, 06:18 PM) T... Apr 24 2009, 02:06 AM Malachi QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 23 2009, 05:18 PM) F... Apr 24 2009, 02:59 AM Cain QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 23 2009, 07:59 PM) I... Apr 24 2009, 03:41 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 23 2009, 09:41 PM) Havi... Apr 26 2009, 02:44 AM Glyph I think the archetypes in the book range from play... Apr 24 2009, 04:34 AM Dhaise I'm still fond of the SR4 Bounty Hunter relyin... Apr 24 2009, 04:43 AM TheOOB I personally think that the sample characters shou... Apr 24 2009, 06:47 AM Dhaise I can agree with that sentiment, but I don't m... Apr 24 2009, 08:45 AM Malachi I agree there are some archetypes that don't a... Apr 24 2009, 03:52 PM Jaid you don't typically send a bounty hunter after... Apr 24 2009, 05:14 PM BlueMax QUOTE (Jaid @ Apr 24 2009, 09:14 AM) (how... Apr 24 2009, 05:23 PM paws2sky QUOTE (BlueMax @ Apr 24 2009, 01:23 PM) I... Apr 24 2009, 05:32 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (BlueMax @ Apr 24 2009, 11:23 AM) I... Apr 26 2009, 02:49 AM Caadium QUOTE (Jaid @ Apr 24 2009, 10:14 AM) you ... Apr 24 2009, 05:29 PM Malachi QUOTE (Jaid @ Apr 24 2009, 11:14 AM) you ... Apr 24 2009, 05:51 PM Kerrang To me, archetypes are there just to give you an id... Apr 24 2009, 06:55 PM paws2sky QUOTE (Kerrang @ Apr 24 2009, 02:55 PM) T... Apr 24 2009, 07:58 PM Kerrang QUOTE (paws2sky @ Apr 24 2009, 02:58 PM) ... Apr 24 2009, 08:31 PM Tyro Something people tend to forget is that this is no... Apr 24 2009, 08:07 PM Malachi Good point. It's all about relative balance. ... Apr 24 2009, 08:11 PM Zaranthan QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 24 2009, 04:11 PM) G... Apr 24 2009, 11:47 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 24 2009, 02:11 PM) G... Apr 26 2009, 02:52 AM Tyro Not to say that it's bad to be effective. But ... Apr 24 2009, 08:14 PM BlueMax QUOTE (Tyro @ Apr 24 2009, 12:14 PM) Not ... Apr 24 2009, 08:18 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Tyro @ Apr 24 2009, 02:14 PM) Not ... Apr 26 2009, 02:53 AM Jaid QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 25 2009, 10... Apr 26 2009, 05:32 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Jaid @ Apr 25 2009, 11:32 PM) the ... Apr 26 2009, 04:27 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Jaid @ Apr 26 2009, 12:32 AM) the ... Apr 26 2009, 06:19 PM Dhaise Run that troll BH in a group of non min/maxxed cha... Apr 24 2009, 08:43 PM Tyro QUOTE (Dhaise @ Apr 24 2009, 01:43 PM) ... Apr 24 2009, 09:30 PM Dhaise QUOTE (Tyro @ Apr 24 2009, 10:30 PM) I wa... Apr 24 2009, 09:48 PM Tyro I don't mind low powered archtypes, but they s... Apr 24 2009, 09:50 PM hyzmarca My understanding, is that the Archetypes are desig... Apr 24 2009, 11:46 PM Draco18s QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 24 2009, 06:46 PM) ... Apr 24 2009, 11:58 PM Cain QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 24 2009, 03:58 PM) ... Apr 25 2009, 12:57 AM Malachi QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 24 2009, 05:58 PM) ... Apr 25 2009, 02:44 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 24 2009, 09:44 PM) T... Apr 25 2009, 03:00 AM Veggiesama Putting aside the issue of whether or not the char... Apr 25 2009, 02:13 AM Glyph My biggest beef with some of the archetypes is not... Apr 25 2009, 02:55 AM Dhaise QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 25 2009, 03:55 AM) My ... Apr 25 2009, 08:12 AM Method As a GM I tend to appreciate non-min/maxed charact... Apr 25 2009, 03:33 AM toturi As a GM I appreciate well constructed characters w... Apr 25 2009, 08:40 AM Glyph Generally, there are two types of "Dumpshock ... Apr 26 2009, 05:53 AM ElFenrir I also agree-they are better fit for a 320ish poin... Apr 26 2009, 08:01 AM Cain QUOTE (Jaid @ Apr 25 2009, 10:32 PM) the ... Apr 26 2009, 06:49 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 26 2009, 01:49 PM) Seem... Apr 26 2009, 06:55 PM Cain QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 26 2009, 11:55 AM) ... Apr 27 2009, 12:35 AM The Jake QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 26 2009, 06:55 PM) ... Apr 27 2009, 02:36 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 26 2009, 11:49 AM) Seem... Apr 27 2009, 02:37 AM Cain QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 26 2009, 07... Apr 27 2009, 03:33 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 26 2009, 08:33 PM) You ... Apr 27 2009, 03:39 AM Cain QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 26 2009, 08... Apr 27 2009, 04:15 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 26 2009, 10:15 PM) Her ... Apr 28 2009, 12:47 AM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 27 2009, 07... Apr 28 2009, 01:45 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Apr 27 2009, 06... Apr 29 2009, 02:14 AM Malachi QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 27 2009, 06... Apr 28 2009, 02:51 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 27 2009, 10:51 PM) S... Apr 28 2009, 03:02 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 27 2009, 08:02 PM) ... Apr 29 2009, 02:18 AM Dhaise Who wants to run with my Stephen Hawking Bounty Hu... Apr 26 2009, 07:51 PM Malachi QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 25 2009, 11:53 PM) The... Apr 27 2009, 01:11 AM Glyph QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 26 2009, 05:11 PM) H... Apr 27 2009, 01:40 AM Malachi QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 26 2009, 07:40 PM) I g... Apr 27 2009, 03:10 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 26 2009, 08:10 PM) Y... Apr 27 2009, 03:12 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 26 2009, 08:11 PM) E... Apr 27 2009, 01:43 AM toturi QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 27 2009, 09:11 AM) I... Apr 27 2009, 01:45 AM Draco18s QUOTE (toturi @ Apr 26 2009, 08:45 PM) In... Apr 27 2009, 01:53 AM Screaming Eagle QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 26 2009, 09:53 PM) ... Apr 27 2009, 05:28 PM Malachi QUOTE (Screaming Eagle @ Apr 27 2009, 11... Apr 27 2009, 06:01 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 27 2009, 01:01 PM) I... Apr 27 2009, 06:09 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 27 2009, 01:01 PM) I... Apr 28 2009, 01:45 AM pbangarth QUOTE (Malachi @ Apr 27 2009, 11:01 AM) I... Apr 28 2009, 02:44 AM suppenhuhn QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 27 2009, 03:40 AM) I g... Apr 27 2009, 02:10 AM Shinobi Killfist Yeah I think this smuggler isn't the type to g... Apr 27 2009, 03:59 AM Screaming Eagle I actually didn't have this come up in my game... Apr 27 2009, 06:13 PM ElFenrir Well, because of the fact that mages actually work... 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