 D20 Shadowrun, to D20 or not to D20? |
 Jan 17 2004, 12:48 AM
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Due to another thread I didn't want to disrupt further, I decided to open a dedicated one.
Personally, I enjoy Shadowrun and it's "D6 system." I also enjoy D&D 3.0 (I never got 3.5 'cause I'm poor). I like them for different reasons. I like D&D/D20 for the simplicity and ease of play, as well as the genericity (is that a word?). Shadowrun has a solid background and good support for it's source material. D20 has several different sets of source material, some good, some bad and some plain average. The choice to buy and use remains yours. Shadowrun has mucho flexibility in character generation that advance slowly. D20 has easy to understand classes that start out not as flexible, but built for the job and allowing for some style and advance with noticable results quickly. If D20 went toe to toe with Shadowrun using just the core system, I'd have to say shadowrun wins. D20's strength is in the open game licence. This guarantees continuous support for the product, but on a buyer beware basis. All in all, I see no problem with liking both. |
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last_of_the_great_mikeys D20 Shadowrun Jan 17 2004, 12:48 AM
Phaeton Simplicity my arse. I like the tables in the SR3 m... Jan 17 2004, 12:59 AM Adarael Shadowrun inherently works against the style of an... Jan 17 2004, 01:02 AM Solstice Well I feel basically the same way. However, the r... Jan 17 2004, 01:07 AM John Campbell The big flaw with the "one system to rule the... Jan 17 2004, 01:08 AM Tanka But Yahtzee is fun! Jan 17 2004, 01:09 AM ting-bu-dong Hi,
I have tried to make a shadowrun d20 and it wo... Jan 17 2004, 01:35 AM Tanka QUOTE (ting-bu-dong) QUOTE For example, if you... Jan 17 2004, 01:38 AM toturi QUOTE (John Campbell) Now, if you're a 6th lev... Jan 17 2004, 01:57 AM LoseAsDirected Check out the book 'Cybernet' by Mongoose ... Jan 17 2004, 02:11 AM Playing Games No.becuase classes, levels, hit points, damage, sk... Jan 17 2004, 02:13 AM ting-bu-dong QUOTE (Playing Games) Classes,wile shadowrun has t... Jan 17 2004, 03:30 AM Siege Two things:
First: As Open Source material, you c... Jan 17 2004, 04:00 AM bwdemon 1. D&D is NOT the d20 rule system. D&D is... Jan 17 2004, 04:27 AM mfb playing games, your arguments would be more convin... Jan 17 2004, 04:29 AM KarmaInferno QUOTE (John Campbell) Now, if you're a 6th lev... Jan 17 2004, 04:46 AM mfb it's different because a 40 kp runner would be... Jan 17 2004, 04:51 AM KarmaInferno Sorry, meant 40 karma. Fingers were typing faster ... Jan 17 2004, 04:54 AM mfb you've got a point, but 40 karma isn't rea... Jan 17 2004, 04:59 AM CanvasBack I used to love AD&D 2nd ed. But then, that ga... Jan 17 2004, 04:59 AM mfb bah, 2nd ed sucked. you want to talk about a game ... Jan 17 2004, 05:03 AM LoseAsDirected Likewise. I don't dislike the d20 system. I en... Jan 17 2004, 05:04 AM mfb i sorta agree, in that the d20 system needs modifi... Jan 17 2004, 05:05 AM Siege Actually, there is a difference:
A 20th level mag... Jan 17 2004, 05:08 AM mfb yes, the base d20 system is heroic fantasy. got th... Jan 17 2004, 05:11 AM Playing Games Spells, you get x spells of y level.You get thos... Jan 17 2004, 05:12 AM Siege QUOTE (mfb) yes, the base d20 system is heroic fan... Jan 17 2004, 05:16 AM mfb you still haven't answered the question of how... Jan 17 2004, 05:18 AM CanvasBack For me, I don't like or dislike the class syst... Jan 17 2004, 05:20 AM Ancient History I will say this...under the OGL, Mutants and MAste... Jan 17 2004, 05:32 AM Connor Nevermind... AH got it out while I was typing and ... Jan 17 2004, 05:36 AM leemur QUOTE (bwdemon)1. D&D is NOT the d20 rule syst... Jan 17 2004, 05:59 AM Lilt IMHO D20 SR is a bad idea as it encourages combat-... Jan 17 2004, 06:09 AM Playing Games QUOTE (mfb) you still haven't answered the que... Jan 17 2004, 06:20 AM mfb *sigh* you gain XP for defeating foes. if the bad... Jan 17 2004, 06:20 AM Playing Games MFB, I was talking about D20.Not D&D.You can... Jan 17 2004, 06:34 AM John Campbell QUOTE (bwdemon) You'll never see a chump thug ... Jan 17 2004, 06:38 AM mfb sure i can, playing games. see, all the other d20 ... Jan 17 2004, 06:43 AM Playing Games QUOTE (mfb) sure i can, playing games. see, all th... Jan 17 2004, 06:54 AM mfb character types--like "i'm a fast guy who... Jan 17 2004, 07:25 AM Playing Games But you pointed out a paladin Cha's saving gr... Jan 17 2004, 08:36 AM Adarael QUOTE Even with only six dice, the chance of botch... Jan 17 2004, 08:52 AM The Synthcat Maybe I'm just wrong but... doesn't the st... Jan 17 2004, 09:45 AM mfb what? playing games, you're skipping around. y... Jan 17 2004, 10:12 AM John Campbell QUOTE (The Synthcat)Maybe I'm just wrong but..... Jan 17 2004, 10:12 AM toturi I took 2 days to figure out how to make a good pow... Jan 17 2004, 10:17 AM Lilt QUOTE (mfb)*sigh* you gain XP for defeating foes.... Jan 17 2004, 10:30 AM Xirces QUOTE (Lilt) Oh yes: And ROTFL @ how the Cuthulu D... Jan 17 2004, 11:32 AM mfb an example? okay. Our Hero has 13 Con, ergo 13 wou... Jan 17 2004, 12:42 PM Prototype Everyone here loves banging on about how lethal SR... Jan 17 2004, 03:05 PM Austere Emancipator Proto: For an honest comparison, take e.g. a level... Jan 17 2004, 03:18 PM L.D I've stayed out of this discussion, but now I ... Jan 17 2004, 03:27 PM Raptor1033 well i did have a nice long post, but somehow it a... Jan 17 2004, 03:54 PM Lilt Hmm? 2d6+2 has a mean of 9. How exactly does 13 - ... Jan 17 2004, 04:30 PM Zazen QUOTE (mfb) then why is it that someone who knows ... Jan 17 2004, 05:13 PM Prototype L.D. that sammie I posted is not ridiculous in the... Jan 17 2004, 05:20 PM Tanka Well, for one, what you posted is an SR2 character... Jan 17 2004, 05:25 PM Prototype No. It is an SR3 character. I think I know the dif... Jan 17 2004, 05:44 PM Lilt It has to be said that almost every archetype can ... Jan 17 2004, 05:54 PM bwdemon QUOTE (leemur)The best adapations of the d20 syste... Jan 17 2004, 05:59 PM Austere Emancipator Prototype: And now create the most bad-ass level 5... Jan 17 2004, 06:01 PM LoseAsDirected QUOTE (mfb) *sigh* you gain XP for defeating foes.... Jan 17 2004, 06:06 PM Tanka Wait... SR isn't lethal?! Who the frag i... Jan 17 2004, 06:08 PM Prototype Hmmm, okay, let's assume they can call a shot ... Jan 17 2004, 06:08 PM moosegod In answer to the idea of this thread...
well, I d... Jan 17 2004, 06:08 PM Tanka Oh, I forgot this:
Sure, he can take a hit. And,... Jan 17 2004, 06:12 PM Lilt QUOTE (bwdemon) LOL! Again, d20 is more letha... Jan 17 2004, 06:14 PM LoseAsDirected I have, to this date, had 2 characters die in any ... Jan 17 2004, 06:23 PM Tanka Another fun fact in the games I've played: One... Jan 17 2004, 06:25 PM Prototype Now, to address some other points...
Tanka - I... Jan 17 2004, 06:35 PM Tanka If by "most runner teams" you mean ... Jan 17 2004, 06:43 PM Lilt Prototype: There are no rules that stop you from a... Jan 17 2004, 06:46 PM moosegod And we haven't even started talking about corp... Jan 17 2004, 06:48 PM Prototype Yeah, and I've got plenty of house rules to cr... Jan 17 2004, 06:49 PM moosegod Not lethal as written?
What the hell does your te... Jan 17 2004, 06:51 PM Tanka Maybe that's why all your PCs seem to be overp... Jan 17 2004, 06:54 PM Zeel De Mort You can only aim a number of times equal to half y... Jan 17 2004, 06:58 PM Tanka The setting is what's lethal. Corrupt city of... Jan 17 2004, 07:01 PM Lilt What we are saying is that Shadowrun is perfectly ... Jan 17 2004, 07:01 PM Zeel De Mort The SR setting can, certainly, be very leathal. B... Jan 17 2004, 07:07 PM LoseAsDirected I'd like to point out that, in SR, there are n... Jan 17 2004, 07:13 PM Prototype Lilt - whilst I don't have my books with me I... Jan 17 2004, 07:14 PM L.D @Prototype.
Yeah he's an ork. I find you say... Jan 17 2004, 07:15 PM LoseAsDirected QUOTE (Zeel De Mort) You can only aim a number of ... Jan 17 2004, 07:27 PM Prototype I don't really want to wade into the lethality... Jan 17 2004, 07:37 PM Prototype Sorry, L.D. but I just GM here... I didn't pic... Jan 17 2004, 07:41 PM Austere Emancipator And this is where the stuff about starting chars i... Jan 17 2004, 07:57 PM Tanka 1) There's an edit button. Use it.
2) What... Jan 17 2004, 07:58 PM bwdemon SR rules are not lethal. The setting claims that ... Jan 17 2004, 08:07 PM Playing Games QUOTE (bwdemon) Now, onto the balance of feats. C... Jan 17 2004, 08:07 PM CanvasBack QUOTE (bwdemon)
If a d10 system is better than a d... Jan 17 2004, 08:08 PM Diesel Prototype:
I feel your campaign's lethality i... Jan 17 2004, 08:15 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (bwdemon)I house rule availability, weapon d... Jan 17 2004, 08:40 PM L.D But that's the thing, Prototype. As the GM you... Jan 17 2004, 09:01 PM LoseAsDirected QUOTE (bwdemon @ Jan 17 2004, 08:07 PM) SR ru... Jan 17 2004, 09:07 PM tete Being a long time runner and gm I would have to sa... Jan 17 2004, 09:27 PM LoseAsDirected Well, 20 is possible, but that's about as munc... Jan 17 2004, 09:43 PM bwdemon QUOTE (Playing Games)First off,bigger dice aren... Jan 17 2004, 09:50 PM OurTeam QUOTE (LoseAsDirected)With a target number of 8,... Jan 17 2004, 10:00 PM
bwdemon A 20 Quickness is ridiculous, but it is possible u... Jan 17 2004, 10:23 PM  |
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