Jun 17 2009, 02:54 AM
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[This post will be spoilericious!]
A while ago I bought a copy of Harlequin's Back from a used book store and I've read through it. Basically, I don't think I like it very much, because it is basically a big plot wagon with spiked wheels resembling a vehicle out of Mad Max: The Road Warrior. It's like a 1960s surreal-moralistic episode of Star Trek (remember the one where Kirk et al. end up in a Western setting they can't leave and which doesn't obey the laws of physics because someone wants to test how they react to threats?) but with more obnoxious preaching. Guess what, the way YOU remember the King Arthur legends isn't good enough, you have to accept and work with the pseudo-celtic version or else your character will be teabagged by all-powerful feminist NPCs. And there's nothing you are allowed to do about that or you character will DIE. Having NPCs with skill levels of 40 is bullshit. What kind of joke is that? That right there, in print, says, "if the characters don't go along with the writer's ideas for this setting, crush them like bugs." There is too much, "fudge the rolls, make them sweat, but make sure everything happens according to plan", to the point where I can't imagine the players wouldn't see through it. In the first place Harlequin is supposed to be so powerful he doesn't need stats, but then when he gets attacked by tentacle monsters he is supposed to fall down frothing. But then he's invincible again till a specific point where the PCs find him all naked and tortured and upside down. I basically don't see how any player who thinks isn't going to realize that Harlequin amounts to a "cinema scene" and not a real NPC with stats. Basically I thought Harlequin's Back was the most sanctimonious, railroady, judgemental campaign I'd ever read in a RPG. And to top it all off with a cherry at the end it says that FASA still hasn't decided what happens at the end, but that it's still in the works and planning if the horrors will be part of the metaplot later or not. So what the hell, all that railroading and Celtic feminist beatdown was literally for nothing, because the writers have no idea what actually happened in the end. Great. |
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Wounded Ronin I didn't really like Harlequin's Back [spoilers!] Jun 17 2009, 02:54 AM
Chibu You're too picky. I liked it when we played th... Jun 17 2009, 03:07 AM
Professeur QUOTE (Chibu @ Jun 16 2009, 10:07 PM) You... Jun 17 2009, 04:21 AM
the_real_elwood QUOTE (Professeur @ Jun 16 2009, 11:21 PM... Jun 17 2009, 04:33 AM
Professeur QUOTE (the_real_elwood @ Jun 17 2009, 12... Jun 17 2009, 04:38 AM
the_real_elwood QUOTE (Professeur @ Jun 16 2009, 10:38 PM... Jun 17 2009, 06:32 AM
Eleint You're not too picky. Harlequin's Back wa... Jun 17 2009, 03:47 AM
BlueMax While I hate "watch the plot go by" adve... Jun 17 2009, 04:39 AM
Eleint This is why in general metaplot's not used muc... Jun 17 2009, 04:43 AM
BlueMax QUOTE (Eleint @ Jun 16 2009, 08:43 PM) Th... Jun 17 2009, 04:51 AM

Eleint QUOTE (BlueMax @ Jun 17 2009, 12:51 AM) O... Jun 17 2009, 05:16 AM
Synner667 QUOTE (Eleint @ Jun 17 2009, 05:43 AM) Th... Jun 17 2009, 06:25 AM
crizh Funny, as a GM I always found the concept of Harle... Jun 17 2009, 08:36 AM
Eleint QUOTE (crizh @ Jun 17 2009, 04:36 AM) Hav... Jun 17 2009, 08:55 AM
crizh You would think.
But no.
Some people just aren... Jun 17 2009, 09:08 AM
Eleint QUOTE (crizh @ Jun 17 2009, 05:08 AM) You... Jun 17 2009, 09:19 AM

crizh QUOTE (Eleint @ Jun 17 2009, 10:19 AM) Al... Jun 17 2009, 09:32 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (crizh @ Jun 17 2009, 05:08 AM) It... Jun 18 2009, 04:13 AM
Fuchs Even the final sacrifice of the PCs in this advent... Jun 17 2009, 09:16 AM
cndblank QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jun 17 2009, 04:16 AM) Eve... Jun 17 2009, 03:01 PM
Stahlseele QUOTE (cndblank @ Jun 17 2009, 05:01 PM) ... Jun 18 2009, 07:20 AM

cndblank QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 18 2009, 02:20 AM... Jun 18 2009, 10:35 AM

Critias QUOTE (cndblank @ Jun 18 2009, 06:35 AM) ... Jun 18 2009, 12:10 PM
Fuchs QUOTE (cndblank @ Jun 17 2009, 05:01 PM) ... Jun 18 2009, 07:31 AM
Vermithrax I ran this (HB) a few years ago, only I disabled t... Jun 17 2009, 09:38 AM
Eleint QUOTE (Vermithrax @ Jun 17 2009, 05:38 AM... Jun 17 2009, 10:05 AM
Vermithrax QUOTE (Eleint @ Jun 17 2009, 05:05 AM) Th... Jun 17 2009, 10:24 AM
Eleint QUOTE (Vermithrax @ Jun 17 2009, 06:24 AM... Jun 17 2009, 10:36 AM
Vermithrax QUOTE (Eleint @ Jun 17 2009, 05:36 AM) Co... Jun 17 2009, 10:52 AM
Stahlseele The only people with problems in Space are magical... Jun 17 2009, 10:23 AM
Vermithrax QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 17 2009, 05:23 AM... Jun 17 2009, 10:31 AM
Stahlseele Not much. In SR, Space-Travel is more or less what... Jun 17 2009, 10:49 AM
Stahlseele QUOTE Larry Niven (Autor), Jerry Pournelle (Autor)... Jun 17 2009, 11:06 AM
Psikerlord I didn't like Harlequin's back for the sam... Jun 17 2009, 11:44 AM
Glyph Yeah, sounds like a pretty sucky adventure - the u... Jun 18 2009, 06:26 AM
Critias Big baddies like Immortal Elves and Great Dragons ... Jun 18 2009, 07:47 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Glyph @ Jun 18 2009, 01:26 AM) So ... Jun 19 2009, 01:00 AM
The Jake QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jun 19 2009, 02:00... Jun 19 2009, 01:38 AM
cndblank QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jun 18 2009, 08:00... Jun 19 2009, 06:57 AM
Eleint By the logic of the adventure? Doesn't matter... Jun 18 2009, 06:43 AM
Vermithrax The main problem, I and other like-minded folks ha... Jun 18 2009, 09:32 AM
Fuchs I am so glad I don't play with GMs who get off... Jun 18 2009, 11:02 AM
cndblank QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jun 18 2009, 06:02 AM) I a... Jun 18 2009, 04:20 PM
Fuchs QUOTE (cndblank @ Jun 18 2009, 06:20 PM) ... Jun 18 2009, 04:25 PM
cndblank QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jun 18 2009, 11:25 AM) I... Jun 19 2009, 06:35 AM
Eleint QUOTE (cndblank @ Jun 19 2009, 02:35 AM) ... Jun 19 2009, 06:41 AM
Fuchs (double post) Jun 18 2009, 11:02 AM
W@geMage I did just that when I ran the campaign. I took t... Jun 18 2009, 01:38 PM
estradling Yes IE and GD can be killed... the question is how... Jun 18 2009, 02:33 PM
Fuchs It's far easier to play the uber-NPCs as being... Jun 18 2009, 02:44 PM
Stahlseele No GM can outthink Players. EVER.
Players do dumb... Jun 18 2009, 03:00 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE Who want to hear some munchkin talking about... Jun 18 2009, 05:15 PM
W@geMage QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Jun 18 2009, 12:15 PM)... Jun 19 2009, 09:28 AM
PBI I liked the adventure as background but not sure I... Jun 18 2009, 05:45 PM
crash2029 Actually this reminds me of my Dad. When I was 9 I... Jun 19 2009, 02:04 AM
Vermithrax Monologuing has its place. From the interior side ... Jun 19 2009, 05:01 AM
The Jake QUOTE (Vermithrax @ Jun 19 2009, 05:01 AM... Jun 19 2009, 07:08 AM
Fuchs If H was so all-seeing and could read Shadowrunner... Jun 19 2009, 07:36 AM
Machiavelli I can remember a very good description in older ve... Jun 19 2009, 08:17 AM
Machiavelli Because we are talking about a big plot that is fi... Jun 19 2009, 09:32 AM
Stahlseele 50 armor and 50 dice to dodge to jack squat about ... Jun 19 2009, 09:34 AM
W@geMage QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 19 2009, 04:34 AM... Jun 19 2009, 09:45 AM
knasser For anyone that is interested, a couple of years a... Jun 19 2009, 09:45 AM
Critias QUOTE (knasser @ Jun 19 2009, 04:45 AM) F... Jun 19 2009, 11:31 AM
W@geMage Easily solved by making him a Mystic Adept under S... Jun 19 2009, 12:26 PM
Fuchs QUOTE (W@geMage @ Jun 19 2009, 02:26 PM) ... Jun 19 2009, 01:23 PM
Critias QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jun 19 2009, 08:23 AM) Not... Jun 19 2009, 02:24 PM
knasser There are two reasons that I didn't make Harle... Jun 19 2009, 02:27 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE Huh, what?
I'm saying that I think your ... Jun 19 2009, 02:53 PM
W@geMage QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Jun 19 2009, 09:53 AM)... Jun 19 2009, 03:09 PM
knasser QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Jun 19 2009, 03:53 PM)... Jun 20 2009, 07:14 AM
Traul Sounds like a good munchkin problem: how many dice... Jun 19 2009, 03:15 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE page 15 of the Done Deal mission:
That's... Jun 19 2009, 03:20 PM
Fuchs A bit too much D&D mentality in those Shadowru... Jun 19 2009, 03:33 PM
ElFenrir My old write-up of H was similar, but his strength... Jun 20 2009, 10:41 AM
knasser QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Jun 20 2009, 11:41 AM) ... Jun 20 2009, 12:10 PM
ElFenrir Aye, definitely same conceptual idea. The way I pi... Jun 20 2009, 12:23 PM
darthmord QUOTE (ElFenrir @ Jun 20 2009, 08:23 AM) ... Jun 21 2009, 02:49 AM![]() ![]() |
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