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LurkerOutThere
post Aug 3 2009, 08:06 PM
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First a disclamer: I do not have a copy of Running Wild yet, and I can't for love nor money find what happened to my copy of emergence. As such take this commentary with a grain of salt.

Am i the only one who thinks that the movement towards AI's as common place (even low powered ones) and the concept of matrix "critters" fairly disturbing. I was a big Otaku head and have always been a big fan of Hackers and the matrix in general. I like the transhuman idea of the Matrix becoming ubiquitous enough that Technomancers use magic after a fashion and I have no real problem with sprites resonance and disonnance et all. However I'm somewhat distrubed by AI's becoming common and increasing steps to make the matrix just like some big magical realm. I'd prefer that being one part of shadowrun that stays pretty firmly rooted in Scifi and the unexplained. Am i the only one who feels this way? Maybe i need to re-read emergance and I'll hate it less but reading through companion on the different AI types just left me kind of bleh. E-Ghosts annoyed me only slightly less. Although i've been playing around with the thought that their all due to a variation on Jack-B-Nimble.

What has been others thoughts and insights on this phenomena? How are other game masters and players dealing with it? It feels like at the same time their making the matrix accessable to everyone their introducing a whole bunch of phenomina that is basically a otaku only playground.

That's my take at least.
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- LurkerOutThere   Is the matrix getting too magical?   Aug 3 2009, 08:06 PM
- - deek   I've never had more than one player at any tab...   Aug 3 2009, 08:17 PM
- - Neraph   I do not enjoy the Matrix/Magic similarities, but ...   Aug 3 2009, 08:18 PM
- - Stahlseele   I have only one guess as to why this is happening,...   Aug 3 2009, 08:23 PM
|- - BlueMax   My first thought was to simply add "Everythin...   Aug 3 2009, 10:35 PM
- - Ancient History   I've always seen it as one of the bizarre conf...   Aug 3 2009, 08:37 PM
- - Kerenshara   See, this is where I am weird, and my personal fai...   Aug 3 2009, 10:21 PM
- - IceKatze   hi hi In my groups, technomancers have been house...   Aug 3 2009, 10:50 PM
- - kzt   I'd like it to use SOME sort of system that wo...   Aug 3 2009, 10:53 PM
- - hobgoblin   any sufficiently developed technology will be indi...   Aug 3 2009, 10:57 PM
- - LurkerOutThere   Hmmm perhaps i should clarify, the rules similarit...   Aug 4 2009, 12:31 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Aug 3 2009, 07:31...   Aug 4 2009, 01:01 AM
- - Sir_Psycho   The cache never forgets!   Aug 4 2009, 02:57 AM
- - The Jake   Any complaints that you may have are far, far outw...   Aug 4 2009, 03:53 AM
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- - kigmatzomat   Program carriers FTW! Just pray you can code ...   Aug 4 2009, 03:56 AM
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- - GreyBrother   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Aug 4 2009, 12:57 AM) ...   Aug 4 2009, 11:43 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   Personally I think the current edition matrix rule...   Aug 4 2009, 12:21 PM
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|- - knasser   QUOTE (Malachi @ Aug 5 2009, 04:15 PM) Ye...   Aug 5 2009, 04:00 PM
|- - Malachi   QUOTE (knasser @ Aug 5 2009, 10:00 AM) If...   Aug 5 2009, 05:38 PM
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- - Malachi   Boy, it's a good thing Frank's rules aren...   Aug 4 2009, 05:55 PM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Malachi @ Aug 5 2009, 03:55 AM) Bo...   Aug 5 2009, 02:38 AM
|- - McAllister   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Aug 4 2009, 10:38 ...   Aug 5 2009, 04:24 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Aug 4 2009, 09:38 ...   Aug 5 2009, 04:33 AM
|- - The Jake   Oh I just had to add: QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Aug...   Aug 5 2009, 12:41 PM
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- - Earlydawn   On my end, an enthusiastic YES! What I liked ...   Aug 5 2009, 04:10 AM
|- - BlueMax   QUOTE (Earlydawn @ Aug 4 2009, 08:10 PM) ...   Aug 5 2009, 04:29 AM
- - GreyBrother   QUOTE So, what you're really saying, if you...   Aug 5 2009, 06:42 AM
- - knasser   I sincerely hope some of the core dev team are rea...   Aug 5 2009, 09:01 AM
- - hobgoblin   kinda fun, how one had one group arguing that the ...   Aug 5 2009, 09:07 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Aug 5 2009, 10:07 AM) ...   Aug 5 2009, 09:13 AM
- - Stahlseele   There's just no pleasing some people. You coul...   Aug 5 2009, 09:12 AM
- - The Jake   Wow this thread seems to have opened up a can of w...   Aug 5 2009, 12:27 PM
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- - deek   The more I read knasser's posts, the more I ag...   Aug 5 2009, 06:51 PM
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- - Stahlseele   Or Ironman.   Aug 5 2009, 07:36 PM
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