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Blitzkrieg
post Sep 15 2009, 08:57 PM
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With the ubiquitous Comlink networks, and Nexi around these days, it is hard to know exactly how we do simple things like shop.
So I ask you? Where is an individual's wealth kept?

We know that in the main stream it is either pure data or on cred sticks, but is this data...

In the banks?
Stored on the Comlink?
In the corp banks?
Exclusively in the form of credit based on future work? (There is no real money per say but rather hours of employee work.)
In independent banks?

I would appriciate any theories on the matter, it looked to me like the books seem to waffle slightly on the subject.

Here's how I believe it works.
Forgive me if this is confusing but I am trying to map the parties/Nodes involved in a simple transaction at the fashion boutique. They "talk to eachother."

Buyer=Buyer's Comlink
Shop=The shop's "Comlink"
The buyer’s bank: BANK A's Nexus
The shop’s bank: BANK B's Nexus

Buyer: Picks up a pair of pants she likes and Selects buy on her Comlink.
[/indent] From Buyer To Shop: “I want to buy these pants.�
Buyer to Bank A: “I want to buy these pants.�
BANK A to Buyer: “Request verification of Buyer Comcode, and Identity, including personal tidbit of info that only you would know.�
Buyer to BANK A: “Here are my papers BANK A, and here is my verifying personal info tidbit which only I would know, which proves I’m me.�
BANK A to Buyer and Shop: “Everything checks out.�
From Shop to Buyer: “Let me call your bank, BANK A, to see if they heard you�
From Shop to BANK A: “Buyer is buying pants.�
BANK A to Buyer: “Request verification of Buyer Comcode, and Shop Identity.�
Buyer to BANK A: “Here are my papers officer.�
BANK A to Buyer and Shop: “We have the buyer on the other line, they approve, Everything checks out.�
BANK A to Shop: “Where should I transfer the money to?�
Shop to BANK A: “To BANK B�
BANK A to BANK B: “I am releasing $50 to you BANK B, for these pants.�
[indent]
BANK B To all parties: “All’s well and have a nice day, Here are your receipts.�
BANK A, BANK B SHOP and BUYER all receive an electronic receipt, which states.

The Buyer’s Receipt
BUYER has purchased Pants for $50 from SHOP 50$ was deducted from their account in BANK A.

The Shop’s receipt:
BUYER has purchased Pants for $50 from SHOP 50$ was deducted from their account, in BANK A to BANK B

BANK B’s receipt:
BUYER has purchased Pants for $50 from SHOP 50$ was deducted from their account, from BANK A to BANK B

Is this the correct model for an everyday exchange?
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- Blitzkrieg   Nuyen, where is the cred really?   Sep 15 2009, 08:57 PM
- - Synner667   Seems ok, in simple terms. There might be somethin...   Sep 15 2009, 09:02 PM
- - Blitzkrieg   I was working from a word file and didn't catc...   Sep 15 2009, 09:05 PM
- - Screaming Eagle   Edited to include to work of HakZoR, He will p00n ...   Sep 15 2009, 09:39 PM
- - kzt   This looks a reasonable approach, given the incred...   Sep 15 2009, 10:07 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 15 2009, 03:07 PM) This ...   Sep 15 2009, 10:10 PM
- - Kerenshara   Well, one of the things that comlinks did was repl...   Sep 15 2009, 10:27 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Sep 15 2009, 03:27 PM...   Sep 15 2009, 11:27 PM
- - kzt   In SR you can trivially snoop all the traffic arou...   Sep 15 2009, 10:30 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 15 2009, 03:30 PM) In SR...   Sep 15 2009, 11:28 PM
- - Ancient History   This will be cleared up a bit in Corp Guide. Or so...   Sep 15 2009, 10:40 PM
|- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Sep 15 2009, 05...   Sep 15 2009, 11:46 PM
|- - Ancient History   Well, keep your shorts on. Space limitations being...   Sep 16 2009, 12:15 AM
|- - Krypter   QUOTE (RunnerPaul @ Sep 15 2009, 06:46 PM...   Sep 16 2009, 12:19 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Krypter @ Sep 15 2009, 07:19 PM) W...   Sep 16 2009, 12:32 AM
- - Blade   Shadowrun has this trouble that, in order to be us...   Sep 16 2009, 09:57 AM
|- - Bugfoxmaster   QUOTE (Blade @ Sep 16 2009, 02:57 AM) Sha...   Sep 16 2009, 04:32 PM
- - hobgoblin   Kerenshara brings up a good point, be to flamboyan...   Sep 16 2009, 11:11 AM
- - Screaming Eagle   Even today the BUYER is the weak link and it is ty...   Sep 16 2009, 02:53 PM
- - Blitzkrieg   Either that or with a disposable comlink replace B...   Sep 16 2009, 02:58 PM
- - TheOOB   Remember that the matrix 2.0 protocols are not pub...   Sep 16 2009, 05:29 PM
|- - Bugfoxmaster   QUOTE (TheOOB @ Sep 16 2009, 09:29 AM) Re...   Sep 16 2009, 05:37 PM
- - milk ducks   Banks almost certainly operate using a fair amount...   Sep 16 2009, 05:47 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (milk ducks @ Sep 16 2009, 12:47 PM...   Sep 16 2009, 09:32 PM
|- - milk ducks   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Sep 16 2009, 05:32 PM...   Sep 17 2009, 01:48 AM
- - eidolon   o/` Because it's a gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame,...   Sep 16 2009, 08:45 PM
- - Paul   Yeah Kerenshara's wonderful answers aside I do...   Sep 16 2009, 10:08 PM
|- - Synner667   QUOTE (Paul @ Sep 16 2009, 11:08 PM) Yeah...   Sep 16 2009, 10:13 PM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Paul @ Sep 16 2009, 05:08 PM) Yeah...   Sep 17 2009, 12:05 AM
- - Paul   Every barter system eventually stabilizes, and som...   Sep 16 2009, 10:18 PM
- - Paul   Yeah there's lot's of options. In reality ...   Sep 17 2009, 12:07 AM
|- - Synner667   QUOTE (Paul @ Sep 17 2009, 01:07 AM) Yeah...   Sep 17 2009, 12:12 AM
- - kzt   We do the same thing, and the critical issue you m...   Sep 17 2009, 05:00 AM
- - Orcus Blackweather   Wow, I love this topic. I do this stuff for a liv...   Sep 17 2009, 05:35 AM
- - hobgoblin   one thing to consider here, people, is that the ma...   Sep 17 2009, 05:37 AM
- - Chrysalis   First of all money is a group of numbers located i...   Sep 17 2009, 02:20 PM
- - Orcus Blackweather   What I posted earlier missed a few points. When y...   Sep 17 2009, 03:19 PM
- - kzt   Part of issue is that in SRworld they don't co...   Sep 17 2009, 04:31 PM
|- - Orcus Blackweather   QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 17 2009, 09:31 AM) Part ...   Sep 17 2009, 10:52 PM
||- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Orcus Blackweather @ Sep 17 2009, 05...   Sep 18 2009, 03:19 AM
||- - Orcus Blackweather   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Sep 17 2009, 08:19 PM...   Sep 18 2009, 07:38 PM
||- - eidolon   QUOTE (Orcus Blackweather @ Sep 18 2009, 02...   Sep 18 2009, 08:32 PM
||- - Paul   QUOTE (Orcus Blackweather @ Sep 18 2009, 02...   Sep 21 2009, 01:19 AM
|- - Earlydawn   QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 17 2009, 12:31 PM) Part ...   Sep 18 2009, 05:33 AM
||- - kzt   QUOTE (Earlydawn @ Sep 17 2009, 11:33 PM)...   Sep 18 2009, 04:14 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 17 2009, 06:31 PM) Part ...   Sep 18 2009, 06:31 AM
- - Synner667   Hmmm Kinda screws the whole hackers have it easy ...   Sep 17 2009, 06:56 PM
- - Synner667   Interestingly enough, there's a story on the B...   Sep 17 2009, 06:57 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Synner667 @ Sep 17 2009, 08:57 PM)...   Sep 18 2009, 06:41 AM
- - Adarael   This is an EXCELLENT point. I know a lot of player...   Sep 17 2009, 11:07 PM
- - Chrysalis   kzt, *sigh* Chinese banking overview, dated, 2001...   Sep 18 2009, 05:18 PM
- - Tachi   I just thought that I'd mention this. Recently...   Sep 19 2009, 12:27 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Tachi @ Sep 18 2009, 06:27 PM) I ...   Sep 20 2009, 08:16 PM
|- - Tachi   QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 20 2009, 03:16 PM) Don...   Sep 21 2009, 01:25 AM
- - Orcus Blackweather   Good choice. I have had my CISSP for 3 years now....   Sep 19 2009, 12:40 AM
- - Tachi   Not to mention that there are only something like ...   Sep 19 2009, 01:15 AM
- - Orcus Blackweather   CISSP is as he said above is for policy guys. It ...   Sep 21 2009, 01:46 AM


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