 How is 4e simpler than 3e (sell me on the idea)? |
 Oct 9 2009, 04:33 PM
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Because I'm just not seeing it. For example you have replaced TNs which change in one dimension with Variable Thresholds and Dice Pool Modifiers which is two dimensions of change.
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tete How is 4e simpler than 3e (sell me on the idea)? Oct 9 2009, 04:33 PM
limejello10512 well I remember putting 3rd edition down cause I f... Oct 9 2009, 05:15 PM Apathy Dice Mechanics
The old mechanic had you rolling a ... Oct 9 2009, 05:34 PM Screaming Eagle Simplifications:
THE MATRIX RULES - OMG! i... Oct 9 2009, 05:44 PM tete sure I'll buy that the skill increase is more ... Oct 9 2009, 07:35 PM Karoline Wasn't it possible for the dice pools to chang... Oct 9 2009, 07:58 PM Screaming Eagle Frankly having given 4th ed a shake down over the ... Oct 9 2009, 08:09 PM Dragnar SR3 had a lot of fake flexibility in it, that actu... Oct 9 2009, 08:56 PM Malachi I also seem to be one of the few people that didn... Oct 9 2009, 09:39 PM PBI Dice pools in Sr1-3 never changed unless the stats... Oct 9 2009, 09:44 PM Shinobi Killfist SR 4 unified things, which is a bit simpler. But ... Oct 9 2009, 10:33 PM
Heath Robinson QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Oct 9 2009, 11... Oct 9 2009, 10:42 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Oct 9 2009, 06:42... Oct 9 2009, 10:58 PM Heath Robinson QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Oct 9 2009, 11... Oct 10 2009, 03:51 AM Joe Chummer QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Oct 9 2009, 10:51... Oct 10 2009, 05:13 AM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Oct 9 2009, 11:51... Oct 10 2009, 05:15 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Oct 10 2009, 11... Oct 10 2009, 05:23 PM Karoline Well, it may have been all well and good for each ... Oct 9 2009, 10:39 PM cndblank QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 9 2009, 04:39 PM) W... Oct 10 2009, 12:42 AM Shinobi Killfist I didn't think it was much extra work when I G... Oct 9 2009, 10:46 PM Dreadlord I was running a group of players new to Shadowrun ... Oct 9 2009, 10:53 PM tete QUOTE (Dreadlord @ Oct 9 2009, 11:53 PM) ... Oct 10 2009, 03:39 PM Joe Chummer QUOTE (tete @ Oct 10 2009, 10:39 AM) Huh?... Oct 11 2009, 04:04 PM tete QUOTE (Joe Chummer @ Oct 11 2009, 05:04 P... Oct 11 2009, 08:43 PM Paul I don't think 4e is simpler, but it is differe... Oct 9 2009, 11:00 PM Joe Chummer One changed aspect I like better is the handling o... Oct 10 2009, 01:09 AM the_real_elwood I was always fine with 3rd edition, and the variab... Oct 10 2009, 05:18 AM Dikotana SR4's Matrix and rigging are hands-down better... Oct 10 2009, 06:44 AM Cain With the exception of the Vehicle rules, SR4 is no... Oct 10 2009, 03:35 PM Dikotana QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 10 2009, 10:35 AM) Tech... Oct 11 2009, 08:06 AM Thanee Changing the number of dice with fixed TN (which w... Oct 10 2009, 05:39 PM Cain QUOTE Maybe it is just me, but I think that the st... Oct 11 2009, 03:51 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 10 2009, 08:51 PM) You... Oct 11 2009, 04:26 PM Cain QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 11 2009, 09... Oct 12 2009, 03:27 AM Matsci QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 11 2009, 08:27 PM) Beca... Oct 12 2009, 04:33 AM darune I have played 3rd edition from time to time in pas... Oct 12 2009, 10:34 AM Semerkhet QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 11 2009, 10:27 PM) Beca... Oct 12 2009, 03:42 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 11 2009, 09:27 PM) I ag... Oct 13 2009, 01:10 AM Joe Chummer QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 12 2009, 08... Oct 13 2009, 01:34 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Joe Chummer @ Oct 12 2009, 07:34 P... Oct 13 2009, 01:37 AM Joe Chummer QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 12 2009, 08... Oct 13 2009, 02:53 AM Medicineman QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 10 2009, 11:51 PM) You... Oct 12 2009, 08:45 AM tete Just a quick note I have had the chance to run 2 s... Oct 11 2009, 05:39 AM Matsci QUOTE (tete @ Oct 10 2009, 10:39 PM) Just... Oct 11 2009, 06:45 PM Cain QUOTE If you're building large numbers of NPCs... Oct 11 2009, 04:16 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 11 2009, 09:16 AM) That... Oct 11 2009, 04:30 PM Semerkhet I'll throw in my .02 nuyen and say that I pref... Oct 11 2009, 10:36 PM tete QUOTE (Semerkhet @ Oct 11 2009, 11:36 PM)... Oct 12 2009, 04:27 PM Semerkhet QUOTE (tete @ Oct 12 2009, 11:27 AM) I th... Oct 12 2009, 05:49 PM Karoline QUOTE (tete @ Oct 12 2009, 12:27 PM) Yes,... Oct 13 2009, 12:58 AM Blade I have to admit that as a GM I always had trouble ... Oct 12 2009, 08:38 AM Karoline Been a while since I looked at 3e, but as I recall... Oct 12 2009, 12:28 PM cndblank I picked up SR 1 the first Gencon it came out, ran... Oct 12 2009, 04:15 PM Cain QUOTE In SR3 you had Riggers and Deckers and they ... Oct 12 2009, 10:27 PM Medicineman QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 12 2009, 05:27 PM) Actu... Oct 13 2009, 09:14 AM tete QUOTE (Medicineman @ Oct 13 2009, 10:14 A... Oct 13 2009, 04:04 PM Malachi QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 12 2009, 04:27 PM) I... Oct 13 2009, 05:39 PM Semerkhet QUOTE (Malachi @ Oct 13 2009, 12:39 PM) I... Oct 13 2009, 08:34 PM tete QUOTE (Malachi @ Oct 13 2009, 05:39 PM) .... Oct 14 2009, 04:19 AM Paul Nice to see you haven't changed a bit Cain. I... Oct 12 2009, 10:45 PM Trillinon There is one area where I find SR4 to be easier th... Oct 13 2009, 01:38 AM Karoline QUOTE (Trillinon @ Oct 12 2009, 09:38 PM)... Oct 13 2009, 02:12 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 12 2009, 08:12 PM) ... Oct 13 2009, 02:17 AM Omenowl Under the old system you had TNs and also had thre... Oct 13 2009, 03:23 AM tete Karoline, I find your posts offensive, maybe its l... Oct 13 2009, 04:33 AM Karoline QUOTE (tete @ Oct 13 2009, 12:33 AM) Karo... Oct 13 2009, 04:56 AM tete QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 13 2009, 04:56 AM) ... Oct 13 2009, 05:09 AM ravensmuse I have to say that reading this did teach me one t... Oct 13 2009, 01:18 PM tabwaife73 so where is the first mission starting? and how di... Oct 13 2009, 03:04 PM Karoline QUOTE (tabwaife73 @ Oct 13 2009, 10:04 AM... Oct 13 2009, 03:13 PM Dahrken Well, I feel the game in general is simpler and mo... Oct 13 2009, 04:43 PM Cain QUOTE I do agree that the options given in Unwired... Oct 13 2009, 08:53 PM Medicineman QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 13 2009, 03:53 PM) . A... Oct 14 2009, 08:49 AM tete QUOTE (Medicineman @ Oct 14 2009, 09:49 A... Oct 14 2009, 07:27 PM Paul Once again people are arguing personal preference,... Oct 14 2009, 02:23 PM Karoline QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 14 2009, 10:23 AM) Once... Oct 14 2009, 02:35 PM Thanee QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 14 2009, 04:35 PM) ... Oct 14 2009, 02:51 PM Karoline QUOTE (Thanee @ Oct 14 2009, 10:51 AM) Li... Oct 14 2009, 04:58 PM Malachi QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 14 2009, 10:58 AM) ... Oct 14 2009, 05:20 PM Medicineman QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 14 2009, 11:58 AM) ... Oct 15 2009, 07:49 AM MYST1C QUOTE (Medicineman @ Oct 15 2009, 09:49 A... Oct 15 2009, 05:26 PM Paul Yeah like I said personal preference. The problem ... Oct 14 2009, 02:38 PM Cain QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 14 2009, 07:38 AM) Yeah... Oct 15 2009, 12:57 AM Malachi QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 13 2009, 02:53 PM) I do... Oct 14 2009, 02:45 PM Not of this World After all the years it has been dead. I find it in... Oct 14 2009, 07:39 PM tete QUOTE (Not of this World @ Oct 14 2009, 08... Oct 14 2009, 09:43 PM Semerkhet For the record, I always hated the pre-SR4 die mec... Oct 14 2009, 07:42 PM Omenowl When more time is spent playing the game and less ... Oct 15 2009, 03:15 AM Paul QUOTE (Omenowl @ Oct 14 2009, 10:15 PM) W... Oct 15 2009, 06:43 PM Malachi QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 15 2009, 12:43 PM) By t... Oct 15 2009, 07:06 PM Paul QUOTE (cndblank @ Oct 15 2009, 04:32 PM) ... Oct 16 2009, 01:05 AM AJCarrington QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 15 2009, 09:05 PM) (And... Oct 16 2009, 02:11 AM Warlordtheft QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 15 2009, 09:05 PM) Game... Oct 16 2009, 02:24 AM cndblank QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 15 2009, 01:43 PM) We... Oct 15 2009, 09:32 PM deek Paul makes a good point. In SR1, a lot of the tec... Oct 16 2009, 12:02 PM Blade The problem I see with "being creative" ... Oct 16 2009, 12:42 PM Semerkhet QUOTE (Blade @ Oct 16 2009, 07:42 AM) The... Oct 16 2009, 05:39 PM deek Well, Augmentation, is my least favorite SR4 sourc... Oct 16 2009, 01:15 PM Medicineman Maybe all the ideas have dried up? Besides the str... Oct 16 2009, 02:41 PM ravensmuse Well, in a canon sense, Augmentation is a technica... Oct 16 2009, 04:17 PM  |
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