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Randian Hero
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Now, I realize that I'm in the minority in that unlike most people, I like my sci-fi to be realistic, where very little suspension of disbelief is required. As such, I've always thought certain things in Shadowrun canon were kinda hokey or tacked on for those people who couldn't get out of the fantasy rut. In a lot of ways, it seems like many elements were added simply to bridge the gap between D&D players and fans of the sci-fi genre. In others, it seems like somebody read a few chapters of history textbook about the Civil War and the collapse of the Soviet Union, and decided to run with it in the most ridiculous way possible. This is all personal taste, mind you, but here are some things that I try to omit as much as possible with my Shadowrun games:

1. Magic -- I realize it's kinda the whole impetus behind most of Shadowrun, but things like the NAN, street mages, and all that just make me sigh. I realize, of course, that a small degree of it can be useful (even cool if done right), but for the most part I avoid it like the plague.

2. Awakened monsters -- It's easier for me to deal with this concept if I think of them all as mutants, not "re-awakened" creatures from some mythical time, dragons being the exception (since I'm a Godzilla fan). I tend to put metahumans in this category as well, especially elves, with their pretentious "ancient" cultures (I still use them, but I make numerous references to how everyone regards elven nations as a giant farce).

3. Native Americans as a superpower -- This was about where I put down the book, let out a lingering sigh, and promptly skimmed a good chunk of the history until I got to the non-ridiculous part. The whole thing kinda reminded me of the "Cherohonkees" that permeate the US: people who are ghost white but clutter their houses with turkey feathers and hand-woven dreamcatchers because it's "cool to be a native". Now having been to an actual reservation, I can safely say that there is no way in hell that something like the NAN is even remotely plausible. Still, since it's Shadowrun canon and essentially very difficult to get rid of, I just treat that whole section of the map as a giant irradiated zone that nobody bothers to go into.

4. CAS -- Maybe someone can explain this one to me, but from what I gathered, the CAS secedes virtually without incident and the UCAS is kinda like, "All right, I guess. We just grabbed Canada so no big loss. Oh yeah, and we're tired of dealing with California so we'll let them walk too." You've got some congressmen and senators who secretly plot to secede from the union, and yet nobody seems really bothered in the southern states that this happened. With the UCAS reeling from the crash (*groan* and the NAN), I strongly doubt that they'd be willing to casually ditch some of their biggest contributors to their GDP without a fight. I guess the parable here was the collapse of the USSR, but it's kinda difficult to draw the same conclusions with a completely different system of government.

Anyone else have issues with these things, or even issues of their own that they like to omit from canon to suit their games?
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- Randian Hero   Things you don't use in your campaigns   Jan 11 2010, 12:17 AM
- - MatrixJargon   Shadowrun is largely built around many of it's...   Jan 11 2010, 10:23 AM
- - Machiavelli   QUOTE From what I've gathered from your post, ...   Jan 11 2010, 10:44 AM
- - The Jake   I don't have anything I don't use really. ...   Jan 11 2010, 10:45 AM
- - The Jake   Sorry. Double post. - J.   Jan 11 2010, 10:45 AM
- - Randian Hero   Actually, aside from the aforementioned gripes, I ...   Jan 11 2010, 10:45 AM
|- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 11 2010, 10:45 ...   Jan 11 2010, 10:53 AM
- - Machiavelli   I am wondering that nobody said "we donīt use...   Jan 11 2010, 10:50 AM
|- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Jan 11 2010, 10:50 A...   Jan 11 2010, 10:57 AM
- - AngelisStorm   The concept of magic isn't "silly" i...   Jan 11 2010, 10:53 AM
|- - Randian Hero   QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Jan 11 2010, 04:53 ...   Jan 11 2010, 11:09 AM
- - Wesley Street   It's impossible for science-fiction to be real...   Jan 11 2010, 03:25 PM
- - tete   I've used Shadowrun to play Cyberpunk Horror b...   Jan 11 2010, 05:06 PM
- - Wesley Street   Talsorian published a paranormal/horror line with ...   Jan 11 2010, 05:39 PM
|- - Adarael   QUOTE (Wesley Street @ Jan 11 2010, 09:39...   Jan 11 2010, 09:49 PM
|- - Yogo Ted   QUOTE (Adarael @ Jan 11 2010, 04:49 PM) a...   Jan 11 2010, 10:32 PM
|- - Adarael   QUOTE (Yogo Ted @ Jan 11 2010, 02:32 PM) ...   Jan 11 2010, 10:46 PM
- - Method   The NAN may seem silly, but there is a growing mov...   Jan 11 2010, 06:13 PM
|- - Randian Hero   QUOTE (Method @ Jan 11 2010, 12:13 PM) Th...   Jan 11 2010, 06:42 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Method @ Jan 11 2010, 01:13 PM) So...   Jan 11 2010, 07:07 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 10 2010, 07:17 ...   Jan 11 2010, 06:39 PM
|- - MadDogMike   QUOTE (Cray74 @ Jan 11 2010, 01:39 PM) Bu...   Jan 12 2010, 01:49 PM
|- - Cray74   QUOTE (MadDogMike @ Jan 12 2010, 08:49 AM...   Jan 12 2010, 08:42 PM
|- - Tyro   QUOTE (Cray74 @ Jan 12 2010, 12:42 PM) ...   Jan 12 2010, 08:53 PM
- - Randian Hero   QUOTE Shadowrun actually predates the collapse of ...   Jan 11 2010, 07:13 PM
|- - Cray74   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 11 2010, 02:13 ...   Jan 11 2010, 08:35 PM
- - Daylen   I like to avoid big scary monster fights. they end...   Jan 11 2010, 11:07 PM
- - Octogenarihexate!   Doesn't exactly fit the tone of the post, but....   Jan 12 2010, 08:07 PM
- - Randian Hero   Well, off the top of my head, a quick example of s...   Jan 12 2010, 08:57 PM
|- - Tyro   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 12 2010, 12:57 ...   Jan 12 2010, 08:59 PM
- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 10 2010, 08:17 ...   Jan 15 2010, 04:56 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Jan 14 2010, 11...   Jan 15 2010, 01:19 PM
|- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 15 2010, 09:19 AM) ...   Jan 16 2010, 05:39 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Jan 15 2010, 11...   Jan 16 2010, 08:10 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Jan 16 2010, 12...   Jan 16 2010, 03:01 PM
|- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 16 2010, 11:01 AM) ...   Jan 17 2010, 06:00 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Jan 17 2010, 01...   Jan 17 2010, 03:27 PM
|- - Tyro   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 17 2010, 07:27 AM) ...   Jan 17 2010, 10:09 PM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 17 2010, 03:09 PM) It...   Jan 17 2010, 10:46 PM
|- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 17 2010, 06:09 PM) It...   Jan 19 2010, 06:04 AM
- - EuroShadow   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 11 2010, 02:17 ...   Jan 15 2010, 09:58 AM
- - Silverback   In my SR3 game we are running now in 2070 and use ...   Jan 15 2010, 10:13 AM
- - MatrixJargon   A lot of people seem to hate on having Technomance...   Jan 15 2010, 06:10 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (MatrixJargon @ Jan 15 2010, 12:10 ...   Jan 15 2010, 06:35 PM
- - Randian Hero   I just think of Neo whenever I think of a technoma...   Jan 15 2010, 06:41 PM
|- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 15 2010, 07:41 ...   Jan 15 2010, 06:45 PM
- - Draco18s   They're huge karma sinks, their rules when usi...   Jan 15 2010, 06:42 PM
- - Randian Hero   QUOTE "The Technomancer does not merely run t...   Jan 15 2010, 06:51 PM
|- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 15 2010, 06:51 ...   Jan 15 2010, 06:55 PM
- - Randian Hero   Seeing as most of my players never saw Lawnmower M...   Jan 15 2010, 06:59 PM
|- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 15 2010, 06:59 ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:03 PM
|- - Randian Hero   QUOTE (MatrixJargon @ Jan 15 2010, 01:03 ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:10 PM
|- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 15 2010, 07:10 ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:16 PM
|- - Randian Hero   QUOTE (MatrixJargon @ Jan 15 2010, 01:16 ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:24 PM
- - Karoline   So, I find it funny that you think of magic and NA...   Jan 15 2010, 07:25 PM
|- - Randian Hero   Ah, I'm glad you brought those up. QUOTE (Kar...   Jan 15 2010, 07:34 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 15 2010, 02:34 ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:40 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 15 2010, 02:34 ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:45 PM
|- - Randian Hero   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 15 2010, 01:45 PM) ...   Jan 15 2010, 08:04 PM
|- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Randian Hero @ Jan 15 2010, 08:04 ...   Jan 15 2010, 08:06 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (MatrixJargon @ Jan 15 2010, 03:06 ...   Jan 15 2010, 08:24 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   Technomancers are like Neo on what concepts? They ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:42 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 15 2010, 02...   Jan 15 2010, 07:44 PM
||- - Wesley Street   QUOTE (Karoline @ Jan 15 2010, 02:44 PM) ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:52 PM
|- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 15 2010, 07...   Jan 15 2010, 07:49 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (MatrixJargon @ Jan 15 2010, 02:49 ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:51 PM
||- - MatrixJargon   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 15 2010, 07:51 PM) ...   Jan 15 2010, 07:54 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (MatrixJargon @ Jan 15 2010, 04:49 ...   Jan 15 2010, 08:22 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 15 2010, 03...   Jan 15 2010, 09:00 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Karoline @ Jan 15 2010, 03:00 PM) ...   Jan 16 2010, 08:06 AM
- - Randian Hero   Sure, but as a runner, you should probably be goin...   Jan 15 2010, 08:10 PM
- - Aristotle   For a standard Shadowrun game I tend to not use......   Jan 15 2010, 10:23 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Aristotle @ Jan 15 2010, 05:23 PM)...   Jan 15 2010, 10:55 PM
- - Hagga   I refuse to allow any of my players to use the vam...   Jan 16 2010, 09:08 AM
- - Whipstitch   I wouldn't allow pixies as player characters a...   Jan 16 2010, 09:50 AM
- - PBI   I don't use: Surge Otaku PCs 4th Edition (not...   Jan 16 2010, 07:01 PM
- - Whipstitch   Keep in mind though as well that some Awakened are...   Jan 19 2010, 03:34 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jan 18 2010, 10:34 PM...   Jan 19 2010, 05:47 AM
- - Neraph   Chainsword Monofilament Chainsaw (1 Reach; 5P; -2 ...   Jan 19 2010, 07:48 AM
|- - Hagga   QUOTE (Neraph @ Jan 19 2010, 08:48 AM) Ch...   Jan 19 2010, 10:34 AM
- - BnF95   Thankfully most of my players have been around sin...   Jan 19 2010, 08:16 AM


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