 Grenade launchers and the heavy weapons skill, Does this bother anyone else? |
 Jan 26 2010, 06:10 PM
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It really bothers me that grenade launchers are grouped in with heavy weapons - their use is so different from the other weapons in the category that I find it rather ridiculous. I'm considering making them exotic, but I'm concerned about game balance. It might not be too bad, considering that (esp. with an airburst link) extra hits aren't as important with grenades as with other weapons after a certain point. Thoughts
On an unrelated note, what would it take to modify a grenade to go off on a proximity trigger? I'm thinking of sticking grenades to walls beside doors as I go into a compound, then activating proximity triggers as I leave so anyone following gets hit as soon as they pass through the door. Would the prep be hardware or demolitions? Would it take much skill (or any) to affix them properly? |
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Tyro Grenade launchers and the heavy weapons skill Jan 26 2010, 06:10 PM
Rystefn Yeah, it's pretty screwy... but, then, using a... Jan 26 2010, 06:17 PM
Tyro QUOTE (Rystefn @ Jan 26 2010, 10:17 AM) Y... Jan 26 2010, 06:32 PM Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 26 2010, 03:10 PM) On a... Jan 26 2010, 07:26 PM Draco18s Easy, awesome solution:
Launcher skill. Covers g... Jan 26 2010, 07:29 PM Tyro QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 26 2010, 11:29 AM) ... Jan 26 2010, 07:36 PM etherial QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 26 2010, 02:36 PM) I li... Jan 26 2010, 07:50 PM Tyro QUOTE (etherial @ Jan 26 2010, 11:50 AM) ... Jan 26 2010, 07:51 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 26 2010, 02:36 PM) I li... Jan 26 2010, 08:14 PM Smokeskin Grenades can detonate by wireless command, you can... Jan 26 2010, 07:37 PM Tyro QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Jan 26 2010, 11:37 AM)... Jan 26 2010, 07:59 PM Smokeskin QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 26 2010, 08:59 PM) I... Jan 26 2010, 08:36 PM Tyro QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Jan 26 2010, 12:36 PM)... Jan 26 2010, 09:16 PM Ascalaphus So clarify for me: extra hits on a grenade do/do n... Jan 26 2010, 07:49 PM Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jan 26 2010, 04:49 PM... Jan 26 2010, 08:43 PM Draco18s By RAW, net hits on either side only add or subtra... Jan 26 2010, 09:10 PM Brazilian_Shinobi If secondary targets have no right to dodge, then ... Jan 26 2010, 09:18 PM Muspellsheimr Attack Test: The character targets a square (or h... Jan 26 2010, 09:23 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jan 26 2010, 04:23... Jan 26 2010, 09:28 PM Tyro QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jan 26 2010, 01:23... Jan 26 2010, 10:45 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 26 2010, 05:45 PM) I... Jan 26 2010, 11:12 PM Muspellsheimr One of my friends played a throwing adept (I think... Jan 26 2010, 09:41 PM Muspellsheimr No. Still Agility - it's less figuring out ho... Jan 26 2010, 11:30 PM Apathy The grenade launcher using the Heavy Weapons skill... Jan 26 2010, 11:47 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Apathy @ Jan 26 2010, 06:47 PM) I ... Jan 27 2010, 12:34 AM StealthSigma QUOTE (Apathy @ Jan 26 2010, 07:47 PM) Th... Jan 27 2010, 01:09 PM Method This was part of the streamlining of SR4. In SR3 t... Jan 27 2010, 12:43 AM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Method @ Jan 27 2010, 02:43 AM) In... Jan 27 2010, 08:08 AM ARCANE For the problem of the attacker dodging the shot m... Jan 27 2010, 01:45 AM Falconer As far as reaction roll against Grenades.
No reas... Jan 27 2010, 01:55 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 26 2010, 08:55 PM) ... Jan 27 2010, 04:48 AM Rystefn Pintle-mounts, however, DO count as vehicle-mounte... Jan 27 2010, 04:39 AM Rystefn Yeah... house rule #1 in our game (aside from adju... Jan 27 2010, 05:07 AM wind_in_the_stones QUOTE (Rystefn @ Jan 27 2010, 01:07 AM) Y... Jan 29 2010, 02:34 AM Rystefn QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Jan 29 2010, 02... Jan 29 2010, 07:41 PM wind_in_the_stones QUOTE (Rystefn @ Jan 29 2010, 03:41 PM) Y... Jan 30 2010, 05:38 AM Rystefn QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Jan 30 2010, 05... Jan 30 2010, 07:03 AM Draco18s And what's their blast radius? 4 meters? Dea... Jan 27 2010, 05:18 AM Method Yeah, the only thing I can think of is a differenc... Jan 27 2010, 05:24 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Method @ Jan 27 2010, 12:24 AM) If... Jan 27 2010, 05:35 AM Method QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 26 2010, 09:35 PM) ... Jan 27 2010, 05:52 AM Rystefn QUOTE (Method @ Jan 27 2010, 05:52 AM) So... Jan 27 2010, 05:55 AM Rystefn Blast radius, of course, varies by what type of ro... Jan 27 2010, 05:28 AM Method Wait, feet? Ranges in SR are measured in meters. ... Jan 27 2010, 06:00 AM Draco18s QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Jan 27 2010, 08:09 ... Jan 27 2010, 02:21 PM Muspellsheimr I have seen young un-athletic children drop balls ... Jan 27 2010, 06:05 AM Method QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jan 26 2010, 10:05... Jan 27 2010, 06:14 AM Method Plus the example plays to an extreme end of the sy... Jan 27 2010, 06:09 AM Muspellsheimr 1) The ball still went a reasonable distance in fr... Jan 27 2010, 06:33 AM Method Seriously? I'm not going to argue about wheth... Jan 27 2010, 06:43 AM Whipstitch QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 26 2010, 02:10 PM) It r... Jan 27 2010, 02:19 PM TheOneRonin QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jan 27 2010, 09:19 AM... Jan 29 2010, 05:39 PM Draco18s QUOTE (TheOneRonin @ Jan 29 2010, 12:39 P... Jan 29 2010, 05:47 PM TheOneRonin QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 29 2010, 12:47 PM) ... Jan 29 2010, 05:53 PM Khyron Scatter could be seen as the target trying to bat ... Jan 29 2010, 04:56 PM Falconer Rystein:
The ONLY way I've seen to make the mi... Jan 30 2010, 01:35 AM Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 29 2010, 06:35 PM) ... Jan 30 2010, 01:51 AM Falconer QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jan 29 2010, 08:51... Jan 30 2010, 04:56 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 29 2010, 11:56 PM) ... Jan 30 2010, 05:05 AM Rystefn QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 30 2010, 01:35 AM) ... Jan 30 2010, 04:24 AM Saint Sithney People practice dodging, right?
It's part of ... Jan 30 2010, 03:26 AM Method QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jan 29 2010, 07:26... Jan 30 2010, 05:28 AM Falconer I quote SR4a... under determining scatter...
... Jan 30 2010, 05:15 AM Method So why not:
1.) Treat all grenade attacks as a suc... Jan 30 2010, 05:39 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Method @ Jan 30 2010, 12:39 AM) 3.... Jan 30 2010, 04:21 PM Muspellsheimr QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 29 2010, 10:15 PM) ... Jan 30 2010, 06:19 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein This topic has always been one of those things tha... Jan 30 2010, 05:10 PM Falconer Muspy you're spouting crap then just as much a... Jan 30 2010, 05:18 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Falconer @ Jan 30 2010, 12:18 PM) ... Jan 30 2010, 05:34 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 30 2010, 10:34 AM) ... Jan 30 2010, 05:59 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 30 2010, 12... Jan 30 2010, 06:32 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 30 2010, 11:32 AM) ... Jan 30 2010, 08:20 PM Falconer Yes I do Draco... as you stated, I'm simply ... Jan 30 2010, 05:54 PM Tyro So just to recap, what do people think the rules s... Jan 30 2010, 08:03 PM Muspellsheimr Scatter uses pre-Anniversary Shadowrun 4 dice roll... Jan 30 2010, 08:21 PM Tyro QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jan 30 2010, 12:21... Jan 30 2010, 08:24 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jan 30 2010, 01:21... Jan 30 2010, 08:28 PM Tyro QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 30 2010, 12... Jan 30 2010, 08:29 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 30 2010, 01:29 PM) He w... Jan 30 2010, 08:41 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Tyro @ Jan 30 2010, 10:24 PM) What... Jan 30 2010, 08:46 PM Muspellsheimr The Anniversary printing doubled Scatter values. ... Jan 30 2010, 08:46 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jan 30 2010, 01:46... Jan 30 2010, 08:50 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 30 2010, 10... Jan 30 2010, 09:10 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jan 30 2010, 02... Jan 30 2010, 10:07 PM Muspellsheimr Except Sensor ratings can only be used on Missiles... Jan 30 2010, 10:21 PM Rystefn So, let me get this straight... The response to th... Jan 31 2010, 07:16 AM Rotbart van Dainig Oh - here, some people even claim those rules are ... Jan 31 2010, 11:06 AM Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jan 31 2010, 08... Jan 31 2010, 03:16 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 31 2010, 05... Jan 31 2010, 03:23 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein It is my opinion that the scatter rules are kept, ... Jan 31 2010, 03:42 PM Rotbart van Dainig Punctuation marks are no pack animals. Jan 31 2010, 03:51 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jan 31 2010, 08... Jan 31 2010, 03:52 PM hahnsoo Yeah, I feel like I'm playing a Japanese conso... Jan 31 2010, 07:36 PM Rystefn If you toss two grenades into a small room, yes, a... Jan 31 2010, 08:09 PM Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (Rystefn @ Jan 31 2010, 05:09 PM) I... Feb 1 2010, 02:03 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 31 2010, 09... Feb 1 2010, 02:15 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Rystefn @ Jan 31 2010, 01:09 PM) I... Feb 1 2010, 02:35 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 31 2010, 09... Feb 1 2010, 03:17 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 31 2010, 08:17 PM) ... Feb 1 2010, 03:18 AM Dumori QUOTE (Johnny Hammersticks @ Jan 31 2010, 01... Feb 1 2010, 03:14 AM  |
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