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FriendoftheDork
post Feb 10 2010, 11:34 PM
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Hey guys!

I've been playing Shadowrun by RAW for some time, at least when it come to gear and availability.

The only rule that really limits gear is the cap of 12 at chargen. After that, it's pretty much a free for all. You don't really need contacts, all you need is a good negotation skills and/or good charisma and social modifiers. Any Face worth his/her weight can pretty much get anything in the book at just 400BPs. It may take some time, but really unless you have no downtime between runs, waiting 2 weeks for that missile launcher isn't gonna be a problem.

Some items are so prohibitively expensive that they are pretty much impossible to get, such as Thunderbirds and certain cyber/bio ware.

Other than that, there is nothing to prevent you from getting APDS rounds rather than the much weaker Flechette rounds, and the former is even cheaper! Not to mention EX-EX which does the same as flechette does only better.

Ok, enough about the imbalanced system. There are of course restricted items (usable by a licence), and Forbidden items (always black market and don't-get-caught), but they don't affect availability itself or require special contacts or knowledge skills on how to get them.

So I am thinking about making some fixes. At some point I tried to keep the 12 avail. cap beyond chargen, and only allow higher cap items on a case by case items, through certain Johnsons and fixxers, or after much time and effort has been spent in order to get them. It worked so and so but got a bit arbitrarily as some items of high power and usefulness were easy to get, while others even much less useful or even legal were impossible to get.

When I tried the karma chargen system I used a system of contacts instead, thus you could get items of availability equal to 3*connectin rating. Thus several loyalty 1/connection 6 contacts where the norm.

Now I want a new system, maybe even adjusting all the avilabilities in the book or even doing away with the whole system (but keeping R and F). Anything nonrestricted would be available to all with SINs/fake SINs, R items requires licences (fake or otherwise), and anything with F requires criminal contacts or knowledge on where to get access to them, although how that would work without contacts I don't know. I mean, can you really just prowl the streets for "usual places" and get hold of militairy grade weaponry without actually having any contacts and knowing people?

As a last resort simply up the prices on all Forbidden items and simply assume that if you're willing to pay the price, someone will sell it to you.

What do you think?
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- FriendoftheDork   Availability house rules   Feb 10 2010, 11:34 PM
- - Garou   Yes, it is a problem. But in reality, there woul...   Feb 11 2010, 12:00 AM
- - Daylen   isnt that why ya have contacts? to have them do th...   Feb 11 2010, 12:17 AM
- - Godwyn   Yeah, the week intervals do not really stop someon...   Feb 11 2010, 12:31 AM
- - Surukai   APDS is a must have, but on the other hand, enemie...   Feb 11 2010, 12:42 AM
- - Aerospider   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 10 2010, 11...   Feb 11 2010, 01:01 AM
- - Professor Evil Overlord   First off, this is not an invitation for a SR3 vs ...   Feb 11 2010, 08:46 AM
- - Smokeskin   I don't just let players buy high availability...   Feb 11 2010, 10:19 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 11 2010, 03:19 AM)...   Feb 12 2010, 08:51 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 12 2010, 09:51 AM)...   Feb 12 2010, 09:48 AM
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||- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 13 2010, 03:53 PM)...   Feb 14 2010, 12:26 AM
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||- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 14 2010, 12:42 AM)...   Feb 14 2010, 08:04 AM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 12 2010, 06:48 AM)...   Feb 12 2010, 03:10 PM
- - Cardul   Honestly, one thing I tend to say is that if you c...   Feb 11 2010, 12:09 PM
- - Smokeskin   I was in the army, and there was plenty of access ...   Feb 11 2010, 12:25 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 11 2010, 01:25 PM)...   Feb 11 2010, 03:13 PM
||- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 11 2010, 04...   Feb 11 2010, 08:54 PM
||- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 11 2010, 09:54 PM)...   Feb 11 2010, 10:06 PM
||- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 11 2010, 11...   Feb 12 2010, 08:19 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 11 2010, 05:25 AM)...   Feb 11 2010, 11:43 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 12 2010, 07...   Feb 12 2010, 07:43 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (toturi @ Feb 12 2010, 12:43 AM) My...   Feb 13 2010, 03:30 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 12 2010, 12...   Feb 12 2010, 08:28 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 12 2010, 01:28 AM)...   Feb 13 2010, 03:46 AM
- - FriendoftheDork   Well it certainly seems like I'm not the only ...   Feb 11 2010, 03:38 PM
|- - Surukai   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 11 2010, 04...   Feb 11 2010, 03:46 PM
||- - Kliko   QUOTE (Surukai @ Feb 11 2010, 10:46 AM) T...   Feb 11 2010, 06:43 PM
|- - Professor Evil Overlord   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 11 2010, 07...   Feb 12 2010, 08:07 AM
- - Ascalaphus   I've run into this question sorta from the oth...   Feb 11 2010, 06:27 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Feb 11 2010, 07:27 PM...   Feb 11 2010, 10:10 PM
- - Mordinvan   I've never understood why items not restricted...   Feb 11 2010, 10:12 PM
- - Daylen   nothing is forbidden only highly regulated. that w...   Feb 11 2010, 10:25 PM
- - graymagiker   I am new to Shadowrun GMing, so keep that in mind....   Feb 12 2010, 01:13 AM
- - Daylen   wait what? SR4 requires a skill check to walk into...   Feb 12 2010, 02:08 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Daylen @ Feb 12 2010, 03:08 AM) wa...   Feb 12 2010, 08:50 AM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   @graymagiker: You don't need to roll availabil...   Feb 12 2010, 04:40 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 11 2010, 09...   Feb 12 2010, 08:44 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (graymagiker @ Feb 11 2010, 06:13 P...   Feb 12 2010, 07:20 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Feb 12 2010, 08:20...   Feb 12 2010, 09:42 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 12 2010, 10...   Feb 12 2010, 09:54 AM
- - Professor Evil Overlord   On the subject of ammunition...what is stopping pl...   Feb 12 2010, 08:43 AM
- - Ascalaphus   The way I see it, there are two issues running in ...   Feb 12 2010, 10:49 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Feb 12 2010, 11:49 AM...   Feb 12 2010, 02:29 PM
- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 12 2010, 11:05 AM)...   Feb 12 2010, 12:43 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Feb 12 2010, 05:43 AM...   Feb 12 2010, 10:03 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 12 2010, 11:03 PM)...   Feb 12 2010, 11:51 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE Bullets cost money. AP bullets cost more. Bu...   Feb 13 2010, 08:33 AM
- - Ascalaphus   Hmm, what about a rule shift based on the followin...   Feb 13 2010, 10:51 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Feb 13 2010, 11:51 AM...   Feb 13 2010, 11:53 AM
- - Daylen   never heard of body armor? it usually makes fleche...   Feb 13 2010, 04:52 PM
- - Larme   I definitely think the diminishing pool is the bes...   Feb 13 2010, 05:39 PM
- - Daylen   well yes. Unfortunetly our dm only wanted to throw...   Feb 13 2010, 05:48 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 13 2010, 05:11 PM)...   Feb 13 2010, 10:25 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 13 2010, 11...   Feb 13 2010, 10:49 PM
|- - Larme   QUOTE I don\'t have SR4a, but according t...   Feb 13 2010, 11:41 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Larme @ Feb 14 2010, 12:41 AM) Orl...   Feb 14 2010, 12:32 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Daylen @ Feb 13 2010, 05:32 PM) ED...   Feb 14 2010, 03:19 AM
- - Penta   <shamed> No, some of us only got a C in Stat...   Feb 14 2010, 12:44 AM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 13 2010, 11:49 PM)...   Feb 14 2010, 01:17 AM
|- - Larme   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 13 2010, 08...   Feb 14 2010, 04:14 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 14 2010, 02...   Feb 14 2010, 08:38 AM
- - Daylen   why limit the min/maxed guy? I can understand if i...   Feb 14 2010, 01:43 AM
- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 13 2010, 12...   Feb 14 2010, 01:50 AM
- - Daylen   Isnt that why you go with no armor and have the co...   Feb 14 2010, 02:18 AM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Daylen @ Feb 14 2010, 02:43 AM) wh...   Feb 14 2010, 02:27 AM
- - Daylen   oh... @friendofthedork - perhaps you should try h...   Feb 14 2010, 04:19 AM
- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Daylen @ Feb 14 2010, 05:19 AM) oh...   Feb 14 2010, 12:20 PM
|- - Larme   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Feb 14 2010, 07:20 AM...   Feb 14 2010, 03:52 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Larme @ Feb 14 2010, 04:52 PM) Of ...   Feb 15 2010, 08:55 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Larme @ Feb 14 2010, 04:52 PM) Of ...   Feb 16 2010, 01:04 AM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Feb 15 2010, 06:04 PM...   Feb 16 2010, 08:57 AM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Larme @ Feb 14 2010, 05:14 AM) I t...   Feb 15 2010, 08:44 PM
|- - Larme   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 15 2010, 03...   Feb 16 2010, 03:11 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Larme @ Feb 16 2010, 04:11 AM) Oy....   Feb 19 2010, 02:12 PM
- - Daylen   I've not run much SR, I've played plenty t...   Feb 16 2010, 01:22 AM


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