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Hello. I am a veteran shadowrunner, but new to 4th edition, and I am hoping to get a few things confirmed about the first character I constructed, and what dice he is going to roll when he gets shot.

Question 1: My character is a troll. He gets 1 die of natural armor. I can't find the page that details whether that is ballistic, impact, or both.

Question 2: Armor and Encumbrance. A character's armor is compared to Bodyx2 to determine whether he takes agility/reaction penalties. Is the +1 die of natural armor included in this calculation, or is it left out since it is 'part of the troll'? What about the armor bonus for cyberware like aluminum bone lacing?

Question 3: Form Fitting Body Armor, from Arsenal, pg 48 seems too good to be true. Stackable armor, plus half the encumbrance seems excessive. Am I reading my rules right? My troll has a body of 9, an armor jacket (8/6) aluminum bone lacing (0/1, and +2 body dice to resist damage), a full suit of form-fitting-body-armor (6/2) and a helmet (1/2) This gives him a grand total of 11 + 15/11, not counting the natural armor (pending an answer to question 1). Is that really 26 dice to resist a bullet wound, or am I messing up somewhere? Are there elements of this equation that are not compatible with each other?

Thank you for your assistance. Drinks on me if we meet in the sprawl.
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- Dances with Trolls   Newbie with armor question   Feb 11 2010, 03:55 AM
- - MikeKozar   QUOTE (Dances with Trolls @ Feb 10 2010, 07...   Feb 11 2010, 04:55 AM
- - wind_in_the_stones   2. Natural and 'ware armor does not cause stac...   Feb 11 2010, 05:00 AM
- - Godwyn   Missing the custom fit armor and custom fit FFBA s...   Feb 11 2010, 05:18 AM
- - Neraph   We don't do custom armor at my table and still...   Feb 11 2010, 05:39 AM
- - Godwyn   The downside being vehicle wrecks are oh so nasty.   Feb 11 2010, 05:41 AM
- - Neraph   20 vehicle armor with a 10 body is not that easy t...   Feb 11 2010, 06:02 AM
- - Surukai   Most stacking armor pieces (Like PPP or a Helmet) ...   Feb 11 2010, 08:02 AM
- - Medicineman   Formfitting Armor is a little bit like Smartlink w...   Feb 11 2010, 08:13 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Medicineman @ Feb 11 2010, 10:13 A...   Feb 11 2010, 09:36 AM
|- - ANGUS 4277   QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 04:36 AM) ...   Feb 12 2010, 04:13 PM
|- - Ophis   QUOTE (ANGUS 4277 @ Feb 12 2010, 04:13 PM...   Feb 12 2010, 04:46 PM
|- - Falconer   QUOTE (Ophis @ Feb 12 2010, 11:46 AM) Now...   Feb 14 2010, 05:50 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 13 2010, 10:50 PM) ...   Feb 14 2010, 06:19 AM
|- - Falconer   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 14 2010, 01:19 AM)...   Feb 14 2010, 07:08 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 14 2010, 08:08 AM) ...   Feb 14 2010, 07:25 AM
|- - Falconer   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Feb 14 2010, 02:25 A...   Feb 14 2010, 07:48 AM
- - Glyph   Full form-fitting body armor, which includes glove...   Feb 11 2010, 08:18 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 11 2010, 10:18 AM) Ful...   Feb 11 2010, 09:18 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 02:18 AM) ...   Feb 12 2010, 03:19 AM
|||- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 11 2010, 11...   Feb 12 2010, 07:35 AM
|||- - Stingray   QUOTE (Medicineman @ Feb 12 2010, 09:35 A...   Feb 12 2010, 08:10 AM
|||- - Tycho   QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 12 2010, 09:10 AM) ...   Feb 12 2010, 08:39 AM
||||- - Stingray   QUOTE (Tycho @ Feb 12 2010, 10:39 AM) Tha...   Feb 12 2010, 09:25 AM
|||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 12 2010, 01:10 AM) ...   Feb 13 2010, 04:17 AM
||- - Mäx   QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 11:18 AM) ...   Feb 12 2010, 02:40 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 11 2010, 01:18 AM) Not...   Feb 11 2010, 09:51 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 11 2010, 01:51 PM)...   Feb 12 2010, 03:08 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 11 2010, 08:08 PM) Fro...   Feb 12 2010, 08:36 AM
- - Surukai   Stun is generally more versatile. It does not only...   Feb 11 2010, 09:34 AM
- - Medicineman   All nice RAW legal Yes but now you're on t...   Feb 11 2010, 10:20 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Medicineman @ Feb 11 2010, 12:20 P...   Feb 11 2010, 10:34 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 04:34 AM) ...   Feb 11 2010, 04:57 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 11 2010, 05:57 PM) @ ...   Feb 11 2010, 08:43 PM
- - Surukai   3 shots of Narcojet (10S each) is enough to take c...   Feb 11 2010, 11:05 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Surukai @ Feb 11 2010, 01:05 PM) 3...   Feb 11 2010, 11:10 AM
- - Professor Evil Overlord   Of course, most of that armor won't help again...   Feb 11 2010, 11:15 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 11 2010,...   Feb 11 2010, 11:37 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 11 2010,...   Feb 11 2010, 09:57 PM
|- - Professor Evil Overlord   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 11 2010, 01:57 PM)...   Feb 12 2010, 03:07 AM
- - Surukai   The called shot to ignore armour rule seems heavil...   Feb 11 2010, 11:46 AM
- - Professor Evil Overlord   The +DV is usually the best if in combat, but igno...   Feb 11 2010, 12:23 PM
- - Summerstorm   You are not thinking BIG enough. You want smartski...   Feb 11 2010, 12:34 PM
- - Tycho   You are all noobs... to maximize armor you shou...   Feb 11 2010, 12:49 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Tycho @ Feb 11 2010, 01:49 PM) You...   Feb 11 2010, 01:05 PM
|- - Surukai   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 11 2010, 02:05 PM)...   Feb 11 2010, 01:38 PM
- - Stingray   ..Thank u for pointing that out.. Poor Gm's ha...   Feb 11 2010, 05:17 PM
- - DireRadiant   Troll tanks are fun for Spirits of man to Fear. S...   Feb 11 2010, 05:30 PM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Feb 11 2010, 07:30 P...   Feb 11 2010, 06:10 PM
|- - Seraph Kast   QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 01:10 PM) ...   Feb 11 2010, 06:17 PM
|- - Seraph Kast   Double posted for some reason.   Feb 11 2010, 06:17 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Still AP -half is great against ItNW.   Feb 11 2010, 06:26 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Feb 11 2010, 11:26 A...   Feb 11 2010, 10:05 PM
- - grendel504   In my game I drastically increased the cost and av...   Feb 11 2010, 09:23 PM
- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE If the character might suffer bad consequenc...   Feb 12 2010, 03:24 AM
- - Glyph   That part wasn't in mine. Are you using SR4A?   Feb 12 2010, 06:15 AM
- - AngelisStorm   My armor bypass called shot rule (while not even k...   Feb 12 2010, 07:48 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   Once again someone tries to introduce Hit Location...   Feb 12 2010, 08:01 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   How can something cover all the body, if the hands...   Feb 12 2010, 08:25 AM
- - Professor Evil Overlord   Yeah, hit locations tend to cause more problems th...   Feb 12 2010, 08:27 AM
- - Smokeskin   Yeah, I'm with you Stringray. Players can also...   Feb 12 2010, 10:01 AM
- - Stingray   ok.. Lets Create Armor Clothing: Zoe's British...   Feb 12 2010, 10:28 AM
- - Wuerfelwerfer   As a follow-up I have another question: Do dermal ...   Feb 12 2010, 02:04 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Wuerfelwerfer @ Feb 12 2010, 08:04...   Feb 12 2010, 06:17 PM
- - AngelisStorm   Um, folks? Percentage of body covered = given pen...   Feb 13 2010, 12:08 AM
- - Falconer   Stingray: That's one of the weakest counter-ar...   Feb 13 2010, 01:10 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 13 2010, 03:10 AM) ...   Feb 13 2010, 08:38 AM
- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Wuerfelwerfer @ Feb 12 2010, 10:04...   Feb 13 2010, 03:30 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Feb 12 2010, 07...   Feb 13 2010, 03:41 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Feb 12 2010, 09...   Feb 13 2010, 07:38 AM
- - Omenowl   I have no problems with stacking armor. However, ...   Feb 13 2010, 03:46 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 13 2010, 05:46 AM) I...   Feb 13 2010, 08:37 PM
- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 12 2010, 11:41 PM) It ...   Feb 13 2010, 03:47 AM
- - Glyph   Again - it did stack in previous editions, and the...   Feb 13 2010, 03:53 AM
|- - wind_in_the_stones   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 12 2010, 11:53 PM) Aga...   Feb 14 2010, 06:27 AM
- - Saint Sithney   I really don't see the problem with FFBA. It ...   Feb 13 2010, 12:23 PM
- - Omenowl   The point is to discourage stacking of armor, but ...   Feb 14 2010, 01:19 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   You have not yet quoted where it says that armor o...   Feb 14 2010, 08:55 AM
- - Falconer   In which case, cumulative phrasing they use on all...   Feb 14 2010, 09:09 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 14 2010, 10:09 AM) ...   Feb 14 2010, 09:22 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Feb 14 2010, 10:22 A...   Feb 14 2010, 09:43 AM
- - Smokeskin   Seems pretty clear to me the intent is that armor ...   Feb 14 2010, 09:12 AM
- - Ophis   @Falconer As every other form of "natural...   Feb 14 2010, 10:55 AM
|- - Falconer   QUOTE (Ophis @ Feb 14 2010, 05:55 AM) @Fa...   Feb 14 2010, 03:48 PM
||- - Ophis   QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 14 2010, 03:48 PM) ...   Feb 14 2010, 04:44 PM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Ophis @ Feb 14 2010, 04:55 AM) @Fa...   Feb 19 2010, 08:15 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   I guess we will just have to agree to disagree her...   Feb 14 2010, 10:58 AM
|- - AngelisStorm   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Feb 14 2010, 05:58 A...   Feb 15 2010, 11:45 PM
- - Neraph   QUOTE (Street Magic, page 102, Possession and Vess...   Feb 14 2010, 05:25 PM
|- - Falconer   QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 14 2010, 12:25 PM) (e...   Feb 16 2010, 02:11 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 15 2010, 08:11 PM) ...   Feb 16 2010, 05:23 AM
- - Squinky   Pretty much everybody and their dog has played Pos...   Feb 16 2010, 05:52 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Squinky @ Feb 15 2010, 11:52 PM) P...   Feb 16 2010, 05:51 PM
|- - AngelisStorm   Funny thing about Occam's Razor; what you are ...   Feb 16 2010, 10:23 PM
- - Falconer   Neraph: I think you and I may have misunderstood e...   Feb 17 2010, 03:33 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 17 2010, 05:33 AM) ...   Feb 19 2010, 06:24 PM
- - Squinky   Just some thoughts on the debate here: From the F...   Feb 19 2010, 09:48 PM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Squinky @ Feb 19 2010, 03:48 PM) T...   Feb 19 2010, 10:01 PM
- - Squinky   Understood, but they are similar to each other and...   Feb 20 2010, 12:59 AM
- - Summerstorm   Whoa... lengthy discussion. Ah well i just throw i...   Feb 20 2010, 01:13 AM


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