Feb 11 2010, 03:55 AM
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Hello. I am a veteran shadowrunner, but new to 4th edition, and I am hoping to get a few things confirmed about the first character I constructed, and what dice he is going to roll when he gets shot.
Question 1: My character is a troll. He gets 1 die of natural armor. I can't find the page that details whether that is ballistic, impact, or both. Question 2: Armor and Encumbrance. A character's armor is compared to Bodyx2 to determine whether he takes agility/reaction penalties. Is the +1 die of natural armor included in this calculation, or is it left out since it is 'part of the troll'? What about the armor bonus for cyberware like aluminum bone lacing? Question 3: Form Fitting Body Armor, from Arsenal, pg 48 seems too good to be true. Stackable armor, plus half the encumbrance seems excessive. Am I reading my rules right? My troll has a body of 9, an armor jacket (8/6) aluminum bone lacing (0/1, and +2 body dice to resist damage), a full suit of form-fitting-body-armor (6/2) and a helmet (1/2) This gives him a grand total of 11 + 15/11, not counting the natural armor (pending an answer to question 1). Is that really 26 dice to resist a bullet wound, or am I messing up somewhere? Are there elements of this equation that are not compatible with each other? Thank you for your assistance. Drinks on me if we meet in the sprawl. |
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Dances with Trolls Newbie with armor question Feb 11 2010, 03:55 AM
MikeKozar QUOTE (Dances with Trolls @ Feb 10 2010, 07... Feb 11 2010, 04:55 AM
wind_in_the_stones 2. Natural and 'ware armor does not cause stac... Feb 11 2010, 05:00 AM
Godwyn Missing the custom fit armor and custom fit FFBA s... Feb 11 2010, 05:18 AM
Neraph We don't do custom armor at my table and still... Feb 11 2010, 05:39 AM
Godwyn The downside being vehicle wrecks are oh so nasty. Feb 11 2010, 05:41 AM
Neraph 20 vehicle armor with a 10 body is not that easy t... Feb 11 2010, 06:02 AM
Surukai Most stacking armor pieces (Like PPP or a Helmet) ... Feb 11 2010, 08:02 AM
Medicineman Formfitting Armor is a little bit like Smartlink
w... Feb 11 2010, 08:13 AM
Stingray QUOTE (Medicineman @ Feb 11 2010, 10:13 A... Feb 11 2010, 09:36 AM
ANGUS 4277 QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 04:36 AM) ... Feb 12 2010, 04:13 PM
Ophis QUOTE (ANGUS 4277 @ Feb 12 2010, 04:13 PM... Feb 12 2010, 04:46 PM
Falconer QUOTE (Ophis @ Feb 12 2010, 11:46 AM) Now... Feb 14 2010, 05:50 AM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 13 2010, 10:50 PM) ... Feb 14 2010, 06:19 AM
Falconer QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 14 2010, 01:19 AM)... Feb 14 2010, 07:08 AM
Dakka Dakka QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 14 2010, 08:08 AM) ... Feb 14 2010, 07:25 AM
Falconer QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Feb 14 2010, 02:25 A... Feb 14 2010, 07:48 AM
Glyph Full form-fitting body armor, which includes glove... Feb 11 2010, 08:18 AM
Stingray QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 11 2010, 10:18 AM) Ful... Feb 11 2010, 09:18 AM

Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 02:18 AM) ... Feb 12 2010, 03:19 AM


Medicineman QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 11 2010, 11... Feb 12 2010, 07:35 AM


Stingray QUOTE (Medicineman @ Feb 12 2010, 09:35 A... Feb 12 2010, 08:10 AM


Tycho QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 12 2010, 09:10 AM) ... Feb 12 2010, 08:39 AM



Stingray QUOTE (Tycho @ Feb 12 2010, 10:39 AM) Tha... Feb 12 2010, 09:25 AM


Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 12 2010, 01:10 AM) ... Feb 13 2010, 04:17 AM

Mäx QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 11:18 AM) ... Feb 12 2010, 02:40 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 11 2010, 01:18 AM) Not... Feb 11 2010, 09:51 PM
Glyph QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 11 2010, 01:51 PM)... Feb 12 2010, 03:08 AM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 11 2010, 08:08 PM) Fro... Feb 12 2010, 08:36 AM
Surukai Stun is generally more versatile. It does not only... Feb 11 2010, 09:34 AM
Medicineman All nice RAW legal
Yes but now you're on t... Feb 11 2010, 10:20 AM
Stingray QUOTE (Medicineman @ Feb 11 2010, 12:20 P... Feb 11 2010, 10:34 AM
Neraph QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 04:34 AM) ... Feb 11 2010, 04:57 PM
Smokeskin QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 11 2010, 05:57 PM) @ ... Feb 11 2010, 08:43 PM
Surukai 3 shots of Narcojet (10S each) is enough to take c... Feb 11 2010, 11:05 AM
Stingray QUOTE (Surukai @ Feb 11 2010, 01:05 PM) 3... Feb 11 2010, 11:10 AM
Professor Evil Overlord Of course, most of that armor won't help again... Feb 11 2010, 11:15 AM
Smokeskin QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 11 2010,... Feb 11 2010, 11:37 AM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 11 2010,... Feb 11 2010, 09:57 PM
Professor Evil Overlord QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 11 2010, 01:57 PM)... Feb 12 2010, 03:07 AM
Surukai The called shot to ignore armour rule seems heavil... Feb 11 2010, 11:46 AM
Professor Evil Overlord The +DV is usually the best if in combat, but igno... Feb 11 2010, 12:23 PM
Summerstorm You are not thinking BIG enough. You want smartski... Feb 11 2010, 12:34 PM
Tycho You are all noobs...
to maximize armor you shou... Feb 11 2010, 12:49 PM
Smokeskin QUOTE (Tycho @ Feb 11 2010, 01:49 PM) You... Feb 11 2010, 01:05 PM
Surukai QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 11 2010, 02:05 PM)... Feb 11 2010, 01:38 PM
Stingray ..Thank u for pointing that out..
Poor Gm's ha... Feb 11 2010, 05:17 PM
DireRadiant Troll tanks are fun for Spirits of man to Fear.
S... Feb 11 2010, 05:30 PM
Stingray QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Feb 11 2010, 07:30 P... Feb 11 2010, 06:10 PM
Seraph Kast QUOTE (Stingray @ Feb 11 2010, 01:10 PM) ... Feb 11 2010, 06:17 PM
Seraph Kast Double posted for some reason. Feb 11 2010, 06:17 PM
Dakka Dakka Still AP -half is great against ItNW. Feb 11 2010, 06:26 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Feb 11 2010, 11:26 A... Feb 11 2010, 10:05 PM
grendel504 In my game I drastically increased the cost and av... Feb 11 2010, 09:23 PM
wind_in_the_stones QUOTE If the character might suffer bad consequenc... Feb 12 2010, 03:24 AM
Glyph That part wasn't in mine. Are you using SR4A? Feb 12 2010, 06:15 AM
AngelisStorm My armor bypass called shot rule (while not even k... Feb 12 2010, 07:48 AM
Dakka Dakka Once again someone tries to introduce Hit Location... Feb 12 2010, 08:01 AM
Dakka Dakka How can something cover all the body, if the hands... Feb 12 2010, 08:25 AM
Professor Evil Overlord Yeah, hit locations tend to cause more problems th... Feb 12 2010, 08:27 AM
Smokeskin Yeah, I'm with you Stringray. Players can also... Feb 12 2010, 10:01 AM
Stingray ok..
Lets Create Armor Clothing:
Zoe's British... Feb 12 2010, 10:28 AM
Wuerfelwerfer As a follow-up I have another question: Do dermal ... Feb 12 2010, 02:04 PM
Neraph QUOTE (Wuerfelwerfer @ Feb 12 2010, 08:04... Feb 12 2010, 06:17 PM
AngelisStorm Um, folks? Percentage of body covered = given pen... Feb 13 2010, 12:08 AM
Falconer Stingray:
That's one of the weakest counter-ar... Feb 13 2010, 01:10 AM
Stingray QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 13 2010, 03:10 AM) ... Feb 13 2010, 08:38 AM
wind_in_the_stones QUOTE (Wuerfelwerfer @ Feb 12 2010, 10:04... Feb 13 2010, 03:30 AM
Glyph QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Feb 12 2010, 07... Feb 13 2010, 03:41 AM
Neraph QUOTE (wind_in_the_stones @ Feb 12 2010, 09... Feb 13 2010, 07:38 AM
Omenowl I have no problems with stacking armor. However, ... Feb 13 2010, 03:46 AM
Mäx QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 13 2010, 05:46 AM) I... Feb 13 2010, 08:37 PM
wind_in_the_stones QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 12 2010, 11:41 PM) It ... Feb 13 2010, 03:47 AM
Glyph Again - it did stack in previous editions, and the... Feb 13 2010, 03:53 AM
wind_in_the_stones QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 12 2010, 11:53 PM) Aga... Feb 14 2010, 06:27 AM
Saint Sithney I really don't see the problem with FFBA. It ... Feb 13 2010, 12:23 PM
Omenowl The point is to discourage stacking of armor, but ... Feb 14 2010, 01:19 AM
Dakka Dakka You have not yet quoted where it says that armor o... Feb 14 2010, 08:55 AM
Falconer In which case, cumulative phrasing they use on all... Feb 14 2010, 09:09 AM
Dakka Dakka QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 14 2010, 10:09 AM) ... Feb 14 2010, 09:22 AM
Smokeskin QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Feb 14 2010, 10:22 A... Feb 14 2010, 09:43 AM
Smokeskin Seems pretty clear to me the intent is that armor ... Feb 14 2010, 09:12 AM
Ophis @Falconer
As every other form of "natural... Feb 14 2010, 10:55 AM
Falconer QUOTE (Ophis @ Feb 14 2010, 05:55 AM) @Fa... Feb 14 2010, 03:48 PM

Ophis QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 14 2010, 03:48 PM) ... Feb 14 2010, 04:44 PM
DireRadiant QUOTE (Ophis @ Feb 14 2010, 04:55 AM) @Fa... Feb 19 2010, 08:15 PM
Dakka Dakka I guess we will just have to agree to disagree her... Feb 14 2010, 10:58 AM
AngelisStorm QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Feb 14 2010, 05:58 A... Feb 15 2010, 11:45 PM
Neraph QUOTE (Street Magic, page 102, Possession and Vess... Feb 14 2010, 05:25 PM
Falconer QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 14 2010, 12:25 PM) (e... Feb 16 2010, 02:11 AM
Neraph QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 15 2010, 08:11 PM) ... Feb 16 2010, 05:23 AM
Squinky Pretty much everybody and their dog has played Pos... Feb 16 2010, 05:52 AM
Neraph QUOTE (Squinky @ Feb 15 2010, 11:52 PM) P... Feb 16 2010, 05:51 PM
AngelisStorm Funny thing about Occam's Razor; what you are ... Feb 16 2010, 10:23 PM
Falconer Neraph: I think you and I may have misunderstood e... Feb 17 2010, 03:33 AM
Mäx QUOTE (Falconer @ Feb 17 2010, 05:33 AM) ... Feb 19 2010, 06:24 PM
Squinky Just some thoughts on the debate here:
From the F... Feb 19 2010, 09:48 PM
DireRadiant QUOTE (Squinky @ Feb 19 2010, 03:48 PM) T... Feb 19 2010, 10:01 PM
Squinky Understood, but they are similar to each other and... Feb 20 2010, 12:59 AM
Summerstorm Whoa... lengthy discussion. Ah well i just throw i... Feb 20 2010, 01:13 AM![]() ![]() |
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