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Which is generally considered the system to use for munchkin builds? Does one char gen system favor combatants, while another favors mystics? Why is Karma only 750, instead of the 800 I would expect from 400BP? If you were a power gamer, trying to squeeze every bit of flexibility out of your new character, which system would you use?

Don't try to convince me not to powergame. My table is full of powergamers, and I'm going to have a hard time catching up as it is. I just don't want to be fodder when we start. I'm looking for honest opinions and experience on which of these system favors what type of characters, and suggestions on how to go about stretching every last char gen resource available. Thanks.

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- Renmir   BP, Karma, Priority   Feb 19 2010, 07:26 AM
- - Udoshi   Build Point generation encourages powergaming, bec...   Feb 19 2010, 07:50 AM
- - FriendoftheDork   BP favors high ratings in skills, attributes etc. ...   Feb 19 2010, 07:51 AM
- - toturi   Usually the GM decides which character generation ...   Feb 19 2010, 07:57 AM
- - Neowulf   Karma is more efficient for stats that don't g...   Feb 19 2010, 08:00 AM
- - Glyph   Karmagen used to be, hands-down, the best system f...   Feb 19 2010, 08:04 AM
|- - Thanee   What I seriously dislike about Karmagen is, that y...   Feb 19 2010, 08:25 AM
- - Surukai   Priority system is "worst" for powergami...   Feb 19 2010, 08:08 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Surukai @ Feb 19 2010, 04:08 PM) M...   Feb 19 2010, 08:50 AM
|- - Surukai   QUOTE (toturi @ Feb 19 2010, 09:50 AM) I ...   Feb 19 2010, 09:40 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Surukai @ Feb 19 2010, 05:40 PM) E...   Feb 19 2010, 01:04 PM
|- - Surukai   QUOTE (toturi @ Feb 19 2010, 02:04 PM) Th...   Feb 19 2010, 02:07 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Surukai @ Feb 19 2010, 10:07 PM) B...   Feb 19 2010, 03:00 PM
- - Saint Sithney   Man, there was a bit of explaining there which did...   Feb 19 2010, 10:48 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Feb 19 2010, 11:48...   Feb 19 2010, 12:38 PM
- - Medicineman   According to Errattaed Karma Systems all the Meta...   Feb 19 2010, 01:03 PM
- - Medicineman   Where can I read this errata? Its allready printe...   Feb 19 2010, 02:29 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Renmir @ Feb 19 2010, 01:26 AM) Do...   Feb 19 2010, 02:31 PM
- - Renmir   Thanks for the help here guys. I honestly expecte...   Feb 19 2010, 03:23 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Renmir @ Feb 19 2010, 07:23 AM) Fr...   Feb 20 2010, 10:10 AM
- - Draco18s   My tip: Find something to be good at it and twink...   Feb 19 2010, 03:23 PM
- - Ancient History   If I drank, I would drink until I forget Runner...   Feb 19 2010, 03:24 PM
- - Dragnar   I still maintain Unwired is worse, but it seems I...   Feb 19 2010, 03:29 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Dragnar @ Feb 19 2010, 10:29 AM) I...   Feb 19 2010, 04:00 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Dragnar @ Feb 19 2010, 08:29 AM) I...   Feb 19 2010, 09:39 PM
- - Omenowl   You can get pretty high with priority. Priority...   Feb 19 2010, 10:18 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 19 2010, 05:18 PM) Y...   Feb 19 2010, 11:38 PM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Feb 19 2010, 05...   Feb 20 2010, 03:04 AM
- - AndyZ   This will take a while, but I suggest using both B...   Feb 19 2010, 11:04 PM
- - Karoline   The (really) simple breakdown is that generally BP...   Feb 20 2010, 12:49 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 19 2010, 08:49 PM) ...   Feb 20 2010, 03:26 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 20 2010, 08:49 AM) ...   Feb 20 2010, 03:43 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (toturi @ Feb 20 2010, 04:43 AM) I ...   Feb 20 2010, 12:53 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 20 2010, 08...   Feb 21 2010, 01:01 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (toturi @ Feb 20 2010, 08:01 PM) Ac...   Feb 21 2010, 04:35 AM
- - Omenowl   Of the systems I prefer the karma system only to g...   Feb 20 2010, 03:30 AM
- - Omenowl   I disagree about a balanced character being a powe...   Feb 20 2010, 04:00 AM
- - wanderer_king   BP is powergame.... right.... seriously, it is bro...   Feb 20 2010, 01:13 PM
- - Surukai   With min-max in this context I refer to identifyin...   Feb 20 2010, 01:19 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Surukai @ Feb 20 2010, 06:19 AM) W...   Feb 20 2010, 03:54 PM
- - nezumi   This is sort of a trick question, really. What are...   Feb 20 2010, 01:53 PM
- - Glyph   Saying Karma is better for a "generalist...   Feb 20 2010, 02:49 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 20 2010, 09:49 AM) Say...   Feb 20 2010, 05:55 PM
- - Ancient History   In every game system, there are limitations. In SR...   Feb 20 2010, 06:20 PM
- - Glyph   While I still wish you weren't able to start o...   Feb 20 2010, 07:56 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE Shadowrun is the kind of system where min-ma...   Feb 20 2010, 08:01 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 20 2010, 03:01 PM) You ...   Feb 20 2010, 08:11 PM
- - Ancient History   Not to be a pill Cain, but I don't see where a...   Feb 20 2010, 08:14 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 20 2010, 12...   Feb 20 2010, 09:12 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 20 2010, 04:12 PM) Fair...   Feb 20 2010, 09:25 PM
- - Ancient History   Okay, I get where you're coming from now. It...   Feb 20 2010, 09:28 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 20 2010, 04...   Feb 20 2010, 09:41 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 20 2010, 04:41 PM) ...   Feb 20 2010, 09:53 PM
||- - Karoline   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 20 2010, 04:53 PM) ...   Feb 20 2010, 09:59 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 20 2010, 04:59 PM) ...   Feb 20 2010, 10:15 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 20 2010, 01...   Feb 20 2010, 09:55 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 20 2010, 04...   Feb 20 2010, 11:31 PM
- - Glyph   I already said I dislike being able to start out a...   Feb 20 2010, 09:47 PM
- - Omenowl   There were some problems to the old systems that b...   Feb 21 2010, 04:50 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 20 2010, 08:50 PM) T...   Feb 21 2010, 09:04 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 21 2010, 03:04 AM) Even...   Feb 21 2010, 01:56 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 21 2010, 08:56 AM) W...   Feb 21 2010, 03:53 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 21 2010, 05:56 AM) A...   Feb 21 2010, 06:55 PM
- - Ascalaphus   What I rather like in SR, as in White Wolf, is tha...   Feb 21 2010, 07:51 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Feb 21 2010, 02:51 PM...   Feb 21 2010, 08:59 PM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 21 2010, 02:59 PM) ...   Feb 22 2010, 03:48 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 22 2010, 11:48 AM) I...   Feb 22 2010, 04:11 AM
||- - Omenowl   QUOTE (toturi @ Feb 21 2010, 10:11 PM) Th...   Feb 22 2010, 04:56 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 21 2010, 07:48 PM) I...   Feb 22 2010, 05:14 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 22 2010, 01:14 PM) Addi...   Feb 22 2010, 06:37 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 22 2010, 06:14 AM) I do...   Feb 22 2010, 11:05 AM
||- - Karoline   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 22 2010, 06...   Feb 22 2010, 02:00 PM
||- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 22 2010, 03:00 PM) ...   Feb 22 2010, 02:16 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 22 2010, 09...   Feb 22 2010, 02:26 PM
||- - Karoline   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 22 2010, 09...   Feb 22 2010, 02:54 PM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 21 2010, 11:14 PM) I do...   Feb 22 2010, 11:18 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Feb 22 2010, 12:18 PM) I...   Feb 22 2010, 02:04 PM
- - Ancient History   Let me throw this out there: would y'all still...   Feb 22 2010, 02:14 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 22 2010, 09...   Feb 23 2010, 02:45 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 22 2010, 06...   Feb 23 2010, 03:13 AM
- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 22 2010, 03:00 PM) ...   Feb 22 2010, 02:16 PM
- - Medicineman   Ok, that changes things. Still, I don't like t...   Feb 22 2010, 02:19 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 22 2010, 03...   Feb 22 2010, 03:04 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 22 2010, 10...   Feb 22 2010, 03:09 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 22 2010, 04...   Feb 22 2010, 03:42 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 22 2010, 04:09 PM) ...   Feb 22 2010, 04:04 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Feb 22 2010, 11...   Feb 22 2010, 04:25 PM
- - Karoline   QUOTE If a trained medtech uses a medkit/autodoc w...   Feb 22 2010, 07:33 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 22 2010, 08:33 PM) ...   Feb 22 2010, 07:49 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 22 2010, 02:33 PM) ...   Feb 22 2010, 07:57 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 22 2010, 02:57 PM) ...   Feb 22 2010, 08:18 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE I am limiting a characters hits by his skill...   Feb 22 2010, 09:04 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 22 2010, 02:04 PM) As p...   Feb 22 2010, 11:55 PM
||- - Cain   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 22 2010, 03...   Feb 23 2010, 12:29 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 22 2010, 05:29 PM) That...   Feb 23 2010, 02:20 AM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 22 2010, 10:04 PM) I do...   Feb 23 2010, 12:40 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Feb 22 2010, 07:40 PM...   Feb 23 2010, 01:32 AM
- - Draco18s   Right. There's really no reason not to spend ...   Feb 22 2010, 09:04 PM
- - Hagga   In roughly the order of the thread title. BP lets ...   Feb 23 2010, 01:08 AM
- - Omenowl   Most of the rules I mentioned are part of the opti...   Feb 23 2010, 02:02 AM
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