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WorkOver
post Mar 8 2010, 09:48 PM
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Ok, maybe I am missing something here.

Lowly pathetic Palladium games has a system in place for putting a 40 up to a persons head and pulling the trigger. It involves a complicated series of charts to roll on, plus some bypass-S.D.C.-and-go-straight-to-hitpoints damage, but there is something.

In Cyberpunk, guy has a 18 point cowl plate, you put a weak 2D6 9mm up to his head and squeeze you don't even roll for damage. Point Plank shot is ALWAYS maximum damage, plus a head shot is double damage. Bang, 6 gets through, make a shock save. But it doesn't matter. 6 points to a body part with one attack will sever or mangle it, so that dudes head is toast. Make a new toon. 18 points of armour on a head is the same as the armor on the door of an armored vehicle.

Swap out that pitiful pre crash 9 with an armalite 44, thats 4D6+1, or 25 x 2 for 50 points of damage to a head. That head is blows clean off. Tone it down with a City Master which is 3D6, and you still get dead.

Change that ammo, and the results are more splashy.

I hate house rules. Don't use em. If I have to make house rules, we will just make up our own game and play it, no reason to pay for a rule set, just to change it.

In Shadowrun, you put a colt manhunter up to a guy ties up, have 12 dice in your pool, roll average, you will do 6 + successes, which is about 4 on average, for 10 boxes, which will only kill of you have less than a 4 body.

A Colt manhunter is like hitting with the Armalite .44 from Cyberpunk, which in the same system is garunteed to do what it is supposed to do at point blank, which is to remove said head from same body.

In Shadowrun, you need to use burst fire to kill, which works for me, as I have no issue with killing players and NPCs with guns, as long as it's not a single shot execution shot.

Or am I missing some rule in Shadowrun?
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- WorkOver   Paladium tried it, Cyber Punk Got it Dead On, Shadowrun..............   Mar 8 2010, 09:48 PM
- - Starmage21   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 8 2010, 04:48 PM) O...   Mar 8 2010, 09:52 PM
- - Stahlseele   It's an aimed shot, so you take the appropriat...   Mar 8 2010, 09:56 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 8 2010, 05:56 PM)...   Mar 10 2010, 03:18 AM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Mar 10 2010, 04:18...   Mar 10 2010, 10:34 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 10 2010, 06:34 AM...   Mar 13 2010, 03:06 PM
- - Daddy's Little Ninja   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 8 2010, 04:48 PM) L...   Mar 8 2010, 10:02 PM
- - Stahlseele   Nuhu! I'm wearing my bullet proof Shoes...   Mar 8 2010, 10:09 PM
- - Dixie Flatline   GM Fiat is not a "house rule". If you...   Mar 8 2010, 10:28 PM
- - Ghremdal   If you want to go by the rules, you can say it is ...   Mar 8 2010, 10:36 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Ghremdal @ Mar 8 2010, 04:36 PM) I...   Mar 8 2010, 10:44 PM
- - Malachi   Shadowrun combat rules are intended to be a relati...   Mar 8 2010, 10:37 PM
- - Flowman   Called shot rules anyone? sub 4 dice for +4 damage...   Mar 8 2010, 10:44 PM
- - Stahlseele   And if it's built in, natural or magical armor...   Mar 8 2010, 10:47 PM
|- - Flowman   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 8 2010, 10:47 PM)...   Mar 8 2010, 10:52 PM
||- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Flowman @ Mar 8 2010, 11:52 PM) Ru...   Mar 8 2010, 11:00 PM
|- - Caadium   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 8 2010, 02:47 PM)...   Mar 8 2010, 11:00 PM
- - X-Kalibur   Ever play Syphon Filter? You get an air taser than...   Mar 8 2010, 10:53 PM
- - Daylen   SR is not a rule system for declaring exactly what...   Mar 8 2010, 11:07 PM
- - raggedhalo   Arsenal gives rules for point-blank shooting.   Mar 8 2010, 11:08 PM
- - Cain   Let's crunch the numbers on this one. Let...   Mar 8 2010, 11:16 PM
- - hobgoblin   i should really stay off this thread, but now i un...   Mar 8 2010, 11:58 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 8 2010, 11:58 PM) ...   Mar 9 2010, 12:44 AM
|- - Dixie Flatline   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 8 2010, 03:58 PM) ...   Mar 9 2010, 01:47 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Dixie Flatline @ Mar 9 2010, 01:47...   Mar 13 2010, 08:56 PM
- - TheOOB   There really is only one place that you can shoot ...   Mar 9 2010, 01:51 AM
- - crash2029   At the risk of melanoma I would like to bring up t...   Mar 9 2010, 02:05 AM
- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 8 2010, 10:48 PM) O...   Mar 9 2010, 02:35 AM
- - WorkOver   I am not talking about making aim shots for eyes. ...   Mar 9 2010, 03:33 AM
|- - rumanchu   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 8 2010, 07:33 PM) I...   Mar 9 2010, 09:34 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (rumanchu @ Mar 9 2010, 05:34 AM) I...   Mar 10 2010, 03:21 AM
- - nemafow   If the guy is tied up and your placing a pistol to...   Mar 9 2010, 03:47 AM
- - Manunancy   A slight comment on CP's 'dougle had damag...   Mar 9 2010, 05:47 AM
|- - The Jake   QUOTE (Manunancy @ Mar 9 2010, 06:47 AM) ...   Mar 10 2010, 02:28 AM
- - Evilness45   In shadowrun, a grenade won't kill a healthy p...   Mar 9 2010, 05:51 AM
|- - TheOOB   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ Mar 9 2010, 01:51 AM)...   Mar 9 2010, 06:16 AM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (TheOOB @ Mar 9 2010, 03:16 AM) Dep...   Mar 9 2010, 08:41 PM
- - Evilness45   Actually, yes there is a rule for executing prison...   Mar 9 2010, 07:23 AM
- - Shrike30   CP2020 actually handled *better* when you ran up t...   Mar 9 2010, 09:03 AM
|- - WorkOver   QUOTE (Shrike30 @ Mar 9 2010, 04:03 AM) C...   Mar 9 2010, 08:23 PM
- - Blade   Combat rules are here to deal with what happens in...   Mar 9 2010, 09:55 AM
- - Aerospider   WRT the called shot rules, they're for when yo...   Mar 9 2010, 12:21 PM
- - last_of_the_great_mikeys   Of course all of this goes out the window if the t...   Mar 9 2010, 05:45 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (last_of_the_great_mikeys @ Mar 9 2010,...   Mar 9 2010, 06:46 PM
- - The Monk   to the OP. Tell me if I'm wrong, what you are ...   Mar 9 2010, 06:01 PM
- - hobgoblin   i guess he is looking for a deterministic way to s...   Mar 9 2010, 06:27 PM
- - Starfish   In such situations, I usually go by the statement ...   Mar 9 2010, 06:50 PM
- - WorkOver   Ok, here is the full scene as to why this is an is...   Mar 9 2010, 08:32 PM
|- - Caadium   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 9 2010, 12:32 PM) O...   Mar 9 2010, 09:04 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 9 2010, 09:32 PM) O...   Mar 9 2010, 09:25 PM
|- - Dixie Flatline   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 9 2010, 12:32 PM) O...   Mar 9 2010, 10:45 PM
|- - WorkOver   QUOTE (Dixie Flatline @ Mar 9 2010, 05:45...   Mar 10 2010, 01:53 AM
|- - The Monk   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 9 2010, 09:53 PM) I...   Mar 10 2010, 02:57 AM
||- - WorkOver   QUOTE (The Monk @ Mar 9 2010, 09:57 PM) I...   Mar 10 2010, 06:15 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Mar 9 2010, 05:53 PM) I...   Mar 10 2010, 05:09 AM
- - Evilness45   Execution, if handled correctly using the current ...   Mar 9 2010, 09:39 PM
- - X-Kalibur   Just load up a cyberskull with armor. We'll wa...   Mar 9 2010, 09:55 PM
- - Dumori   you need the executioner a two barreled Eichiro Ha...   Mar 9 2010, 10:58 PM
- - Stahlseele   Mod it for short burst by firing both barrels at o...   Mar 9 2010, 11:51 PM
- - Dumori   Yeah but the +1 dv isn't worth the slot take u...   Mar 9 2010, 11:54 PM
- - Stahlseele   STYLE OVER SUBSTANCE! ^^   Mar 10 2010, 12:03 AM
- - AngelisStorm   Average trained dude: 3 stat, 3 skill Other dude...   Mar 10 2010, 06:42 AM
- - Omenowl   My take 1. Most bullets wounds are not instantly ...   Mar 10 2010, 12:02 PM


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