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Squire
post Aug 22 2003, 05:10 AM
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First of all, here are some things I didn't know the police in Shadowrun could do (that the police IRL in the USA cannot do):

-Hold someone in custody without charging them for up to 72 hours
(I could be wrong, but I think the current rule is 48 hours, and you still have to show probable cause to hold them).

-Stop any vehicle or person at any time to check ID
(Okay, IRL police can talk to anyone, but the term "stop" legally means that person is not free to leave- for that RL police need probable cause)

-Personal and vehicle searches and astral scans without a warrant
(IRL this can occur [well, not the astral scan as far as I know], but only in specific circumstances that have to be well articulated).

Okay, on another (and frankly very minor) matter:

Did anyone else find in strange that the shadowtalk posters that were most critical of police in the "Life in the 60s" section were the former cops. SPD has always been fairly pro-police in his posts (except for slamming Lone Star specifically). X-star perhaps not as much, but both SPD and X-star come off as somewhat anti-police in "Life in the 60s." Neither of them spoke up to clarify a procedure or explain why some things are necessary (SPD's bread and butter), but they both added ways police can abuse their power.

It's not a big issue, but are we perhaps seeing the political bias of the author (whoever it was) in the source material?

Or are we just seeing that the author has a different feel for the personality (and outlooks) of well-known shadowtalk posters than I do?
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- Squire   [SprawlSG] Policing in the '60s   Aug 22 2003, 05:10 AM
- - Rain   QUOTE (Squire) -Personal and vehicle searches and ...   Aug 22 2003, 05:33 PM
- - Squire   Yep, wide differences from state to state. Here i...   Aug 22 2003, 05:43 PM
- - Black Isis   Well, I think there are two reasons police procedu...   Aug 22 2003, 11:36 PM
- - motorfirebox   those are all logical reasons. stylistically, thou...   Aug 22 2003, 11:49 PM
- - Hasagwan   Out of all the excess the police (especially the S...   Aug 23 2003, 10:34 AM
- - krishcane   In my experience, at least in some US states, the ...   Aug 25 2003, 08:38 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   IIRC the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that thermo scan...   Aug 26 2003, 06:57 AM
- - krishcane   Cool! My data is out of date, then. --K   Aug 26 2003, 03:43 PM
- - Rajaat99   QUOTE (krishcane) In my experience, at least in so...   Aug 26 2003, 04:02 PM
- - krishcane   Neat that it's illegal, but I'm not sure I...   Aug 26 2003, 06:27 PM
- - phelious fogg   Actualy as far as police go now adays they can do ...   Aug 26 2003, 06:52 PM
- - Squire   QUOTE (Hasagwan @ Aug 23 2003, 10:34 AM) Out ...   Aug 26 2003, 06:57 PM
- - Rain   QUOTE (krishcane) --Stop any vehicle or person at ...   Aug 26 2003, 08:05 PM
- - krishcane   Good to have a cop's perspective in the conver...   Aug 26 2003, 08:08 PM
- - Squire   QUOTE At that point, how different would it be to ...   Aug 26 2003, 09:50 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Well, the case I refered too (which I can't se...   Aug 27 2003, 05:44 AM
- - krishcane   On the checkpoint thing, I'm half-and-half abo...   Aug 27 2003, 04:52 PM
- - Dalassa   Completely off topic for a second: Krishcane, are...   Aug 27 2003, 07:55 PM
- - krishcane   Oh, I'm sure it was some kind of license/seat ...   Aug 27 2003, 08:42 PM
- - Squire   Checkpoints in rush-hour traffic?!? That...   Aug 29 2003, 12:38 AM
- - krishcane   I have to agree with that on the speeding thing --...   Aug 29 2003, 03:48 PM
- - Peter Pan   QUOTE (Squire)Passive sensors are frequently consi...   Aug 31 2003, 07:29 PM
- - Frag-o Delux   QUOTE (Peter Pan) What I've also heard people...   Aug 31 2003, 11:24 PM
- - Squire   You know, the argument of radar falling under plai...   Sep 1 2003, 12:21 AM
- - Frag-o Delux   In certain jusidictions they don't calibrate t...   Sep 1 2003, 01:13 AM
- - Squire   Nope, I was a police explorer (high school and col...   Sep 1 2003, 01:58 AM
- - Frag-o Delux   I wish the Officer who got me did that. Oh well yo...   Sep 1 2003, 02:49 AM
- - Peter Pan   QUOTE (Squire)You know, the argument of radar fall...   Sep 1 2003, 06:51 PM
- - Peter Pan   QUOTE (Squire) Denver is the only place I've b...   Sep 1 2003, 07:04 PM
- - Squire   @Peter: If you can talk about the radar project, ...   Sep 2 2003, 03:31 AM
- - Peter Pan   yeah, I can talk about the radar project, but I...   Sep 2 2003, 04:59 AM
- - Pistons   QUOTE (Squire) As for the city councilperson, it...   Sep 2 2003, 01:52 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Sovereign immunity. It can be a bitch.   Sep 2 2003, 08:40 PM
- - Centurion   QUOTE (Squire @ Aug 26 2003, 04:50 PM) Imagin...   Sep 3 2003, 12:38 AM
- - Peter Pan   QUOTE (Squire) Otherwise, I can provide descripti...   Sep 4 2003, 04:42 PM
- - annachie   QUOTE (Squire)Pulling you over (a stop) still requ...   Sep 5 2003, 11:21 AM
- - Kesh   Locally, we have a problem with illegal dumping. P...   Sep 5 2003, 05:10 PM
- - FlakJacket   QUOTE (Peter Pan)Subsequently, a late-joining play...   Sep 8 2003, 04:15 AM
- - Squire   Okay, first off- sorry about the delay in my respo...   Sep 8 2003, 12:47 PM
- - Peter Pan   @ FlakJacket: During char gen, he wanted an LS co...   Sep 8 2003, 03:03 PM
- - Hot Wheels   I loved the complaint some people brought up in J...   Sep 10 2003, 02:48 PM
- - Black Isis   Here in Champaign-Urbana, it's very interestin...   Sep 10 2003, 05:59 PM
- - Hot Wheels   If they're such hard cases, then why do people...   Sep 10 2003, 09:47 PM
- - Peter Pan   hell, one of the campus cops at my alma matter (a ...   Sep 11 2003, 01:39 AM
- - Hot Wheels   Where the hell did you go to school that the cops ...   Sep 11 2003, 01:04 PM
- - Squire   QUOTE (Hot Wheels) Some people, especially trucker...   Sep 11 2003, 02:41 PM
- - Peter Pan   QUOTE (Hot Wheels) Where the hell did you go to sc...   Sep 11 2003, 06:59 PM
- - Black Isis   QUOTE (Hot Wheels) If they're such hard cases,...   Sep 11 2003, 07:08 PM
- - Digital Heroin   QUOTE (Squire) Did anyone else find in strange tha...   Oct 2 2003, 10:31 AM
- - Squire   It could be, but it's a pretty significant cha...   Oct 2 2003, 09:08 PM
- - MYST1C   QUOTE (Peter Pan)hell, one of the campus cops at m...   Oct 3 2003, 09:06 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Peter Pan @ Sep 10 2003, 07:39 PM) hel...   Oct 7 2003, 01:59 AM
- - Sahandrian   QUOTE (Squire) Okay, first off- sorry about the de...   Oct 18 2003, 11:45 PM
- - Squire   Seasons 1 through 3 are available on DVD...   Oct 19 2003, 08:52 AM
- - CeaDawg   Prior to the patriot act I've seen a few appli...   Feb 9 2004, 07:46 PM
- - Squire   Okay, lets talk about these situations you're ...   Feb 9 2004, 09:58 PM
- - snowRaven   Being a european, it's been very interesting r...   Feb 10 2004, 02:25 PM
- - Squire   That's very interesting, and I can see the pol...   Feb 10 2004, 08:04 PM
- - FlakJacket   QUOTE (Squire) Frankly though, I don't see how...   Feb 10 2004, 11:01 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Agree 100% with Squire on RL police practices, alt...   Feb 11 2004, 09:41 AM
- - Hecatonchires   I just got my hands on the Lone Star book. Found ...   Feb 16 2004, 06:23 AM
- - Watchman   I dunno, it's in corporate interests to look a...   Feb 23 2004, 03:20 PM
- - Squire   Watchman is probably right about the 6th world. D...   Feb 24 2004, 06:37 AM
- - Necro Tech   QUOTE (CeaDawg)2.  A Gentleman from Ohio, who...   May 22 2004, 03:06 AM
- - xizor   QUOTE In the RL USA, everyone has civil rights. Th...   May 22 2004, 06:22 PM
- - Squire   QUOTE xizor wrote: somebody should probably tell t...   May 27 2004, 02:48 AM
- - Necro Tech   QUOTE (Squire)That is absolutely untrue for the US...   May 28 2004, 12:55 AM
- - Paul   Can I get a link to that, this reform act? I'd...   May 28 2004, 12:07 PM
- - Necro Tech   here is a comprehensive website that addresses eve...   May 28 2004, 06:54 PM
- - Squire   I browsed breifly that site. I did find links to ...   May 31 2004, 12:49 AM
- - lspahn72   QUOTE (snowRaven) Being a european, it's been ...   Jun 5 2004, 01:26 PM
- - Backgammon   Here in Canada (well, Quebec at least), it is ille...   Jun 5 2004, 11:14 PM
- - Finbar   We have that in Sydney, One particular radio stati...   Jun 14 2004, 06:57 PM


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