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hermit
post May 10 2010, 05:59 PM
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Fine. Since we have been derailing this thread a lot and this is not finished, the continuation of the discussion from the other thread is here.

QUOTE (sengir)
Since there are standing bounties on all Infected (ghouls included) I guess that does not apply to Infected and possibly non-homo sapients.

True, but there are also bounties on criminals. Also, the same article says there are no more bounties on the newly citizenised Infected - so no, the government in the UCAS will not give you money for killing a ghoul anymore. It'll give you handcuffs and jail time instead. Because you really don't need to contain the zombie apocalypse when it is still possible!

QUOTE (sengir)
It is telling that only 35 nations around the world afford equal rights and citizenry to HMHVV infected, and those only to some.

This would refer to the feral Infected. Loup-Garou, Dzoo-Noo-Qua, Goblins and to a degree Banshees are hard to consider sapient, and so are many Ghouls. I suppose they check whether you filfill basic sapience premises before labeling you a citizen, dear child of the night.

QUOTE (sengir)
"Poor/missing QA" (as the authors themselves have said) would be another good one

'Poor' is what comes to mind reading this, yes. Pity the RW stuff wasn't used for RC. Pity so much space was wasted on double entries for the WoD crowd when it could have been used for more interesting stuff. Pity the Infected were retconned down for playability, raping previously established background left and right. Pity no consideration was paid to the fact these PC should be received with hostility by any sane human (meta)human being. Pity they were forced into the setting with a nonsense UN initiative like AI and Neo clones.
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- hermit   cont'd: Infected as PC Options in SR   May 10 2010, 05:59 PM
- - Sengir   OK, hermit's problem with everything Emerged a...   May 10 2010, 06:40 PM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 10 2010, 02:40 PM) OK...   May 10 2010, 06:45 PM
|- - Angelone   QUOTE (Starmage21 @ May 10 2010, 12:45 PM...   May 10 2010, 08:24 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Angelone @ May 10 2010, 05:24 PM) ...   May 10 2010, 08:58 PM
||- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ May 10 2010, 03...   May 10 2010, 09:10 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Angelone @ May 10 2010, 08:24 PM) ...   May 10 2010, 09:28 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 10 2010, 06:28 PM) We...   May 10 2010, 09:36 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ May 10 2010, 09...   May 10 2010, 10:06 PM
- - Semerkhet   I'll throw in with Hermit. The Infected as an...   May 10 2010, 08:36 PM
- - I Hate All Life   Let me put my two Nuyen in. I'm one of the ...   May 10 2010, 08:45 PM
|- - Megu   QUOTE (I Hate All Life @ May 10 2010, 02...   May 11 2010, 04:57 AM
- - Dr.Rockso   QUOTE I mean, if Ghouls and vamps can have citizen...   May 10 2010, 09:18 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Dr.Rockso @ May 10 2010, 06:18 PM)...   May 10 2010, 09:33 PM
- - The Monk   Seems like there are a lot of gaps in the Infected...   May 10 2010, 09:43 PM
|- - Kid Chameleon   QUOTE (The Monk @ May 10 2010, 03:43 PM) ...   May 10 2010, 11:09 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE That needn't be the case in your persona...   May 10 2010, 10:32 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (hermit @ May 10 2010, 04:32 PM) Ye...   May 10 2010, 10:37 PM
|- - Tanegar   QUOTE (hermit @ May 10 2010, 05:32 PM) (m...   May 11 2010, 04:07 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 10 2010, 10:32 PM) Bu...   May 11 2010, 09:08 AM
- - Rasumichin   Oh look, it's this thread again.   May 10 2010, 10:43 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   Replying to the old thread in the new thread. Hope...   May 11 2010, 02:24 AM
|- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ May 10 2010, 09...   May 11 2010, 04:19 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE Since when does every single AI ever have to...   May 11 2010, 09:32 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 09:32 AM) Ev...   May 11 2010, 10:30 AM
- - The Jopp   I dont really have a problem with Ghouls – If i wo...   May 11 2010, 10:18 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE There's a difference between not being s...   May 11 2010, 10:41 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 10:41 AM) Uh...   May 11 2010, 11:01 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 11:41 AM) Qu...   May 11 2010, 11:58 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE Besides, Ghouls are so much less of a proble...   May 11 2010, 11:55 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE Frst posting in this thread? Where Wendigos,...   May 11 2010, 12:08 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 01:08 PM) Wh...   May 11 2010, 12:14 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   More old-post-to-new cut-and-paste! I'll g...   May 11 2010, 12:41 PM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE Er...no, it hasn't. Dietary Requirement ...   May 11 2010, 12:54 PM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (HappyDaze @ May 11 2010, 12:54 PM)...   May 11 2010, 03:29 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Emphasis mine. Er...no, it hasn't. Diet...   May 11 2010, 01:08 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 02:08 PM) Th...   May 11 2010, 01:51 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 02:08 PM) Th...   May 11 2010, 04:44 PM
- - Ascalaphus   Is it me or does it strike anyone else as weird th...   May 11 2010, 02:30 PM
- - hermit   Yes, it is weird (and yet another retcon), as in p...   May 11 2010, 02:58 PM
- - I Hate All Life   Round the very worst criminals and scum the Shadow...   May 11 2010, 03:53 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE which would be absolutely fine under UCAS la...   May 11 2010, 04:11 PM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 11:11 AM) In...   May 11 2010, 04:28 PM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 05:11 PM) In...   May 11 2010, 04:55 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 10:11 AM) I ...   May 11 2010, 05:51 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Vampires are kind of hard to notice, unless ...   May 11 2010, 04:53 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 05:53 PM) Ra...   May 11 2010, 05:15 PM
|- - Grinder   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 06:53 PM) Uh...   May 11 2010, 05:57 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE If you have a player who wants house rules f...   May 11 2010, 05:12 PM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 05:12 PM) Th...   May 11 2010, 07:04 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE I'm not saying that I like this dualism ...   May 11 2010, 05:20 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 05:20 PM) Th...   May 11 2010, 10:43 PM
- - Dahrken   If I'm not mistaken, while an SR4 vampire can ...   May 11 2010, 05:36 PM
- - hermit   Bite and blootletting, as well as emotional connec...   May 11 2010, 05:39 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   More old-post-to-new cut-and-paste. QUOTE (hermit...   May 11 2010, 05:43 PM
- - Dahrken   SR4A is roughly the same. You need a strong emotio...   May 11 2010, 05:48 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE However, some of the retconning you mention ...   May 11 2010, 05:49 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Is that written down that vampires are odour...   May 11 2010, 05:59 PM
- - Grinder   But not for vampires. Would make sense that they...   May 11 2010, 06:03 PM
- - hermit   ... they sparkle, yes.   May 11 2010, 06:19 PM
- - Grinder   RE: cont'd: Infected as PC Options in SR   May 11 2010, 06:20 PM
- - I Hate All Life   If I misinterpreted what you meant hermit, I'm...   May 11 2010, 06:55 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE If I misinterpreted what you meant hermit, I...   May 11 2010, 07:56 PM
|- - The Monk   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 03:56 PM) On...   May 11 2010, 09:11 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 01:56 PM) Hu...   May 12 2010, 01:06 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE Do vampires in SR go into a frenzy if they a...   May 11 2010, 09:22 PM
|- - The Monk   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 04:22 PM) Th...   May 11 2010, 09:43 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Since they're dependent on blending in a...   May 11 2010, 10:15 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE By RAW, the Dientary Requirement(x) weakness...   May 11 2010, 10:53 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 10:53 PM) Ye...   May 12 2010, 07:55 AM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE Yes, that is precisely my point. If you want...   May 11 2010, 11:16 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Glad to see that you know the one true way t...   May 11 2010, 11:43 PM
|- - The Monk   QUOTE (hermit @ May 11 2010, 06:43 PM) Gl...   May 12 2010, 12:18 AM
- - HappyDaze   Oh, I understand what you're saying. I simply...   May 12 2010, 12:18 AM
- - MJBurrage   The question of hemovore eating habits came up ear...   May 12 2010, 01:49 AM
|- - Megu   QUOTE (MJBurrage @ May 11 2010, 07:49 PM)...   May 12 2010, 02:10 AM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 12 2010, 12:43 AM) An...   May 12 2010, 06:23 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE I'm sad for you that such a middle groun...   May 12 2010, 06:33 AM
|- - The Monk   QUOTE (hermit @ May 12 2010, 02:33 AM) On...   May 12 2010, 05:29 PM
- - Grinder   So the part quoted from RC had "option" ...   May 12 2010, 06:44 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE So the part quoted from RC had "option...   May 12 2010, 07:07 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE And once again your standard problem, you as...   May 12 2010, 08:03 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (hermit @ May 12 2010, 08:03 AM) Uh...   May 12 2010, 05:44 PM
- - Muspellsheimr   Hermit, you are essentially whining about how vamp...   May 12 2010, 08:56 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE Hermit, you are essentially whining (...) ab...   May 12 2010, 09:12 AM
- - HappyDaze   Well, we know that all trolls are big-eyed pink-ha...   May 12 2010, 09:16 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE Musp said the above twice, and while it may ...   May 12 2010, 09:34 AM
|- - Patrick Goodman   QUOTE (hermit @ May 12 2010, 04:34 AM) No...   May 12 2010, 04:20 PM
- - HappyDaze   You might be surprised that I have never played an...   May 12 2010, 09:43 AM
- - Megu   You know, the line of argument's been brought ...   May 12 2010, 10:36 AM
- - hermit   Well. At least before SR4 screwed up the payment b...   May 12 2010, 10:44 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (hermit @ May 12 2010, 03:12 AM) Mu...   May 12 2010, 11:31 AM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ May 12 2010, 05:31...   May 12 2010, 02:49 PM
- - hermit   Oh, sorry, I missed that this piece of profanity w...   May 12 2010, 12:05 PM
- - Chrome Tiger   Man, it is like watching an old married couple arg...   May 12 2010, 12:24 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Chrome Tiger @ May 12 2010, 09:24 ...   May 12 2010, 01:28 PM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ May 12 2010, 01...   May 12 2010, 02:26 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Hint : ghoul rights turned out to be the sam...   May 12 2010, 04:23 PM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Grinder @ May 12 2010, 08:44 AM) S...   May 12 2010, 05:47 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE I'm sorry, but I don't get what you...   May 12 2010, 06:12 PM
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