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HugeC
post Jun 4 2010, 07:24 PM
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Hullo, all!

I'm going to be GMing a game of SR4A soon, and in the course of helping one of my players set up his character, I was somewhat shocked by the apparent impact of this rule.

The player in question wanted to be Robocop, so I put together a cybersuite for him targeted at corpsec cops who were badly injured in the line of duty and had lost a limb or three. The suite has 4 cyberlimbs and a cybertorso. He has 10 B/I from Armor 2 on all the pieces. If he wears, say, a lined coat in addition, he'll be sitting at 16/14 armor. He also has like 17 boxes on his physical damage track, but it occurred to me that unless I have badguys shooting nukes at him, he will never take physical damage, only stun, so those 17 boxes aren't doing him any good.

On the face of it, the conversion to stun damage makes sense and I really liked the rule when I first read it, but this particular character makes the rule seem wonky. For those of you who have played, is it as wonky as it seems? Or do all the extra damage resistance dice from lots of armor soak up most of the damage?

I was toying around with possible house rules in my head, like merging the P & S damage tracks into one, where you track P with an 'X' and S with a '/', but sometimes I get the notion to fix things that aren't really broken, so I thought I'd see what you guys thought.
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- HugeC   Conversion of P->S from Armor   Jun 4 2010, 07:24 PM
- - Saint Sithney   That amount of armor will soak up small arms fire ...   Jun 4 2010, 07:30 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jun 4 2010, 09:30 ...   Jun 4 2010, 08:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   HugeC, like from WoD? I'd really have to playt...   Jun 4 2010, 07:41 PM
|- - HugeC   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 4 2010, 03:41 PM)...   Jun 4 2010, 09:28 PM
- - DireRadiant   So hordes of people shooting pistols at this guy w...   Jun 4 2010, 08:10 PM
- - Krrayn   I thought the armor from cyberlimbs averaged, not ...   Jun 4 2010, 08:33 PM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (Krrayn @ Jun 4 2010, 12:33 PM) I t...   Jun 4 2010, 08:43 PM
- - Summerstorm   Also one could always just try real cyborg. It has...   Jun 4 2010, 09:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Er, heh. I meant, 'like the way stun/lethal/a...   Jun 5 2010, 01:37 AM
|- - HugeC   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 4 2010, 08:37 PM)...   Jun 5 2010, 02:03 AM
- - Bladehate   Hey there HugeC. I'm actually in a similar bo...   Jun 5 2010, 03:12 AM
- - CanadianWolverine   It is only "seems" unbalanced if your ga...   Jun 5 2010, 04:43 AM
- - noonesshowmonkey   Chargen allows starting 400 bp characters to rack ...   Jun 5 2010, 05:12 AM
- - Ramorta   Where are you getting this -6 armor mod from aimin...   Jun 5 2010, 05:49 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Right: a few bursts of S&S will handle everyth...   Jun 5 2010, 06:08 AM
- - knasser   I've found one of the most effective things to...   Jun 5 2010, 06:53 AM
|- - Faraday   QUOTE (knasser @ Jun 4 2010, 11:53 PM) Re...   Jun 5 2010, 08:21 AM
- - Bull   Also... Stunbolt. The single cheesiest thing in ...   Jun 5 2010, 08:10 AM
- - Summerstorm   Aye. Knasser is right there. It is always fitting...   Jun 5 2010, 08:24 AM
- - Bladehate   As a long time GM (not in SR though) I'm prett...   Jun 5 2010, 09:53 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Bladehate @ Jun 5 2010, 03:53 AM) ...   Jun 5 2010, 03:34 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 5 2010, 10...   Jun 5 2010, 06:52 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 5 2010, 11...   Jun 5 2010, 07:54 PM
|- - Faraday   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 5 2010, 12...   Jun 5 2010, 08:12 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Faraday @ Jun 5 2010, 02:12 PM) Mo...   Jun 6 2010, 12:22 AM
|- - Bladehate   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 5 2010, 07...   Jun 5 2010, 10:08 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Bladehate @ Jun 5 2010, 04:08 PM) ...   Jun 6 2010, 12:28 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 5 2010, 03...   Jun 5 2010, 11:11 PM
- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (HugeC @ Jun 4 2010, 01:24 PM) I wa...   Jun 5 2010, 10:24 AM
|- - HugeC   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jun 5 2010, 06:24 ...   Jun 5 2010, 07:41 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   In my game, whenever an attack fails to penetrate ...   Jun 5 2010, 10:51 AM
- - DBSubashi   Let us not forget that while a "Robocop...   Jun 5 2010, 12:36 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (DBSubashi @ Jun 5 2010, 06:36 AM) ...   Jun 5 2010, 03:38 PM
- - noonesshowmonkey   Due to this very problem, I choose to interpret th...   Jun 5 2010, 04:16 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (noonesshowmonkey @ Jun 5 2010, 06...   Jun 6 2010, 12:40 AM
- - Yerameyahu   That's quite an investment now, but what a mes...   Jun 5 2010, 07:02 PM
- - Bladehate   Tymeaus and Muspellheimer, I've enjoyed your p...   Jun 5 2010, 09:27 PM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Bladehate @ Jun 5 2010, 04:27 PM) ...   Jun 5 2010, 10:53 PM
||- - Bladehate   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jun 5 2010, 10:53 PM...   Jun 5 2010, 11:18 PM
|- - Muspellsheimr   I have not yet read past this post, & do not h...   Jun 6 2010, 05:16 AM
- - Bladehate   Oh and if you decide to get even more goofy with t...   Jun 5 2010, 10:14 PM
- - Yerameyahu   How are you starting with Pain Editor and MilSpec ...   Jun 5 2010, 10:27 PM
|- - Bladehate   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 5 2010, 10:27 PM)...   Jun 5 2010, 11:13 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's what I had in mind when I said applied ...   Jun 5 2010, 11:01 PM
- - Bladehate   Hah. Because I got a bit caught up in it all, I d...   Jun 5 2010, 11:12 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, he's not in mil-spec now, so just gas/da...   Jun 5 2010, 11:14 PM
|- - Bladehate   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 5 2010, 11:14 PM)...   Jun 5 2010, 11:19 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Can you really LMG freeze foam off of your body? ...   Jun 5 2010, 11:23 PM
- - Bladehate   Well, according to the rules its used to form a ca...   Jun 5 2010, 11:38 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Indeed. Honestly, I might lower the encumbrance li...   Jun 5 2010, 11:46 PM
- - CanadianWolverine   Pff, this is Shadowrun, surely some other speciali...   Jun 5 2010, 11:46 PM
- - Ramorta   For bladehate's character. I propose the scree...   Jun 5 2010, 11:52 PM
|- - Bladehate   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Jun 5 2010, 11:52 PM) Fo...   Jun 6 2010, 12:09 AM
- - Ramorta   I'm away from my books at the moment. However,...   Jun 6 2010, 12:13 AM
- - Raven the Trickster   Arsenal, exotic ranged weapons section. AFB so I c...   Jun 6 2010, 12:27 AM
|- - Bladehate   QUOTE (Raven the Trickster @ Jun 6 2010, 12...   Jun 6 2010, 01:46 AM
- - Yerameyahu   'Armor modifications and gear'.   Jun 6 2010, 12:38 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 5 2010, 05:38 PM)...   Jun 6 2010, 02:39 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Actually, I don't think that's what he sug...   Jun 6 2010, 12:46 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 6 2010, 02:46 AM)...   Jun 6 2010, 02:51 AM
- - Bladehate   Called Shot to Disarm can be pretty handy as well....   Jun 6 2010, 02:52 AM
- - Yerameyahu   The point is, the suggested rule is bypassing indi...   Jun 6 2010, 02:54 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 6 2010, 04:54 AM)...   Jun 6 2010, 10:18 AM
|- - Faraday   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 5 2010, 07:54 PM)...   Jun 6 2010, 09:04 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's not really a problem. Stun *means* incapa...   Jun 6 2010, 05:21 AM
- - Dynamo Dave   Capsule rounds/splash grenades filled with DMSO an...   Jun 6 2010, 10:36 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It doesn't not make sense. It's exactly l...   Jun 6 2010, 11:59 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jun 6 2010, 01:59 PM)...   Jun 6 2010, 12:52 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Jun 6 2010, 05:5...   Jun 6 2010, 02:00 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 6 2010, 06...   Jun 6 2010, 06:14 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Jun 6 2010, 12:14 PM) I ...   Jun 6 2010, 06:16 PM
- - Raven the Trickster   Dermal plating you could probably manage to bypass...   Jun 6 2010, 02:15 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Raven the Trickster @ Jun 6 2010, 07...   Jun 6 2010, 02:52 PM
- - Ramorta   You could fluff the attack however you want. I was...   Jun 6 2010, 06:22 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yes, and it 'discourages' patchwork sets o...   Jun 6 2010, 09:08 PM


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