Jun 24 2010, 08:54 PM
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Ok, I know this will seem completely stupid to some people... but could someone please explain how Metatype works using the standard RAW Runner's Companion Karmagen rules?
I've always used the BP system in SR4 and SR4A up till now, and the priority chargen in previous versions. However, I might be running a game soon and some players are interested in Karmagen. After reading the rules presented on Pages 41 and 42... it doesn't seem to compute in my head, especially after doing a search on Karmagen here on dumpshock and reading various posts about it. In RC, it says that Metatype costs nothing... but then you still start at minimum attribute ratings for your metatype. This just seems like free points, not to mention other metatype features that they get. Yet I've read posts where some say it just costs the same karma as it costs in BP, and other posts where they say it's BP x 2. So..... er..... could someone explain this to me? BTW, I know there are some issues with the RAW Karmagen rules in RC, particularly with Attribute x 3 cost. However, I prefer to keep things as RAW as possible. So unless there is a specific official Catalyst errata, I'll be using the rules as presented in RC. Thanks. |
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Ravennus Karmagen Metatype cost Jun 24 2010, 08:54 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 24 2010, 11:54 PM) ... Jun 24 2010, 09:08 PM
Medicineman Whatever I wrote was allready mentioned Up there
... Jun 25 2010, 06:18 AM
Ol' Scratch The original intent was that the cost of having to... Jun 24 2010, 09:18 PM
Ravennus Thank you for the quick replies everyone!
So ... Jun 24 2010, 09:26 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 25 2010, 12:26 AM) ... Jun 24 2010, 09:37 PM
Saint Sithney In my experience, karmagen results in far too many... Jun 24 2010, 09:36 PM
Ol' Scratch The few problems with race aside (most of which ca... Jun 24 2010, 09:38 PM
Saint Sithney And, it's not entirely "house rules... Jun 24 2010, 09:50 PM
Ravennus QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jun 24 2010, 04:50... Jun 25 2010, 02:32 AM
Ancient History QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 25 2010, 03:32 AM) ... Jun 25 2010, 02:36 AM
toturi QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 25 2010, 10:32 AM) ... Jun 25 2010, 02:41 AM
Ravennus Wow... thank you AH. Thank was extraordinarily he... Jun 25 2010, 02:49 AM
Ancient History QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 25 2010, 03:49 AM) ... Jun 25 2010, 02:58 AM
Ravennus Damn... that's too bad... you've always se... Jun 25 2010, 03:08 AM
Ancient History Not at the moment, no. Jun 25 2010, 03:34 AM
Brazilian_Shinobi So, AH, what's the point of playing as Human, ... Jun 25 2010, 12:14 PM
Medicineman QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jun 25 2010, 08... Jun 25 2010, 12:58 PM
Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jun 25 2010, 09:58 A... Jun 25 2010, 04:08 PM
Medicineman QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jun 25 2010, 12... Jun 25 2010, 04:45 PM

Brazilian_Shinobi QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jun 25 2010, 01:45 P... Jun 25 2010, 11:21 PM
Glyph QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jun 25 2010, 09... Jun 26 2010, 06:20 AM
Caelwyn Well I imagine its that even though your stats are... Jun 25 2010, 12:35 PM
TommyTwoToes QUOTE (Caelwyn @ Jun 25 2010, 07:35 AM) W... Jun 25 2010, 12:52 PM
Gamer6432 Was it intended for Karmagen to include special at... Jun 25 2010, 03:06 PM
Ol' Scratch It was apparently intended.
But to be fair, it wa... Jun 25 2010, 03:33 PM
Ancient History Doc Funk and I have our occasional differences of ... Jun 25 2010, 03:39 PM
Saint Sithney QUOTE (Ancient History @ Jun 25 2010, 08... Jun 26 2010, 12:09 PM
Ancient History QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jun 26 2010, 01:09... Jun 26 2010, 02:22 PM
Ol' Scratch The only thing it does is make it so mages and tec... Jun 25 2010, 03:47 PM
Ancient History Like I said, difference of opinion. Low-level attr... Jun 25 2010, 04:01 PM
Cabral Free feat at 1st level? Wait....
Under karmagen, ... Jun 25 2010, 04:27 PM
Ol' Scratch Humans receive a +1 to Edge as a racial trait. It... Jun 25 2010, 04:40 PM
Wandering One QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 09... Jun 25 2010, 04:57 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 09... Jun 26 2010, 07:03 PM
Ol' Scratch Then I guess they can secretly start with an Edge ... Jun 25 2010, 05:07 PM
Medicineman QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 01... Jun 25 2010, 05:19 PM
Ol' Scratch I'm just saying they don't have an Edge at... Jun 25 2010, 06:04 PM
Medicineman I'm just saying they don't have an Edge at... Jun 25 2010, 06:08 PM
Ol' Scratch No. The +1 bonus to Edge is a special ability of ... Jun 25 2010, 06:15 PM
Wandering One QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 11... Jun 25 2010, 06:39 PM
Ol' Scratch No, it says that's the max rating during chara... Jun 25 2010, 06:52 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 09... Jun 26 2010, 01:33 AM
Udoshi Yeah, uh, scratch, you're full of it.
In your... Jun 25 2010, 09:50 PM
Ol' Scratch Really.
Show me where it states that a Human... Jun 25 2010, 11:14 PM
Gamer6432 QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 04... Jun 25 2010, 11:30 PM
Doc Byte QUOTE (Gamer6432 @ Jun 26 2010, 01:30 AM)... Jun 26 2010, 12:48 AM
tagz SR4A p82 Under "Purchase Attributes"
A... Jun 26 2010, 01:42 AM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (tagz @ Jun 25 2010, 08:42 PM) All ... Jun 26 2010, 03:44 AM
Falconer To OP:
Short of severe house ruling, karmagen as p... Jun 26 2010, 03:31 AM
Cabral Scratch,
Perhaps the reason edge is excluded from ... Jun 26 2010, 05:11 AM
Falconer Almost exactly Glyph. The lumping of special attr... Jun 26 2010, 07:09 AM
Glyph QUOTE (Falconer @ Jun 25 2010, 11:09 PM) ... Jun 26 2010, 12:20 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 26 2010, 06... Jun 26 2010, 08:45 AM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Mäx @ Jun 26 2010, 03:45 AM) So yo... Jun 26 2010, 08:27 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 26 2010, 11... Jun 26 2010, 09:13 PM
Saint Sithney QUOTE (Mäx @ Jun 26 2010, 02:13 PM) What ... Jun 27 2010, 12:06 AM
Falconer Small point,
Your cost benefit is only including ... Jun 26 2010, 02:25 PM
MJBurrage Except that Ol' Sctrach's interpretation g... Jun 27 2010, 03:22 AM
Saint Sithney Ah yeah. 5 less karma, per buy at every buy durin... Jun 27 2010, 07:20 AM
Ol' Scratch And yet, oddly enough, not everyone in my game... Jun 27 2010, 09:45 AM
Cabral QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 27 2010, 04... Jun 27 2010, 05:30 PM

Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Cabral @ Jun 27 2010, 11:30 AM) An... Jun 27 2010, 06:08 PM

Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Cabral @ Jun 27 2010, 12:30 PM) Ju... Jun 27 2010, 07:15 PM

Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 27 2010, 12... Jun 27 2010, 07:34 PM

Cabral QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 27 2010, 02... Jun 28 2010, 12:45 AM
Mäx QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 27 2010, 12... Jun 27 2010, 07:47 PM
Ol' Scratch It's no more illiterate than your ignoring the... Jun 27 2010, 09:02 PM
Ol' Scratch Oh, well, you should find some other place to chat... Jun 28 2010, 01:12 AM
Cabral Careful of the advice you throw around. Don't ... Jun 28 2010, 02:28 AM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Cabral @ Jun 27 2010, 08:28 PM) Th... Jun 28 2010, 04:28 AM
Cabral I've already addressed why edge would be liste... Jun 28 2010, 05:18 AM

Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Cabral @ Jun 27 2010, 11:18 PM) So... Jun 28 2010, 05:30 AM

MJBurrage QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 28 2010, 12... Jun 28 2010, 03:09 PM
Aarakin QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 28 2010, 02... Jun 28 2010, 03:42 PM
Saint Sithney I think the real problem with karmagen is that you... Jun 28 2010, 02:35 AM
Ol' Scratch Actually, by a literal reading of all the relevant... Jun 28 2010, 03:57 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 28 2010, 05... Jun 29 2010, 06:26 AM
Samoth Man, you will go to great lengths to avoid admitti... Jun 28 2010, 04:12 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Samoth @ Jun 28 2010, 10:12 AM) Ma... Jun 28 2010, 10:57 PM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Ol' Scratch)My take, however, ignores t... Jun 28 2010, 04:16 PM
Cabral QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 28 2010, 11... Jun 29 2010, 04:37 AM
Jhaiisiin Gotta say, Doc, I agree with a lot of the others h... Jun 29 2010, 04:42 PM
rstehwien QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Jun 29 2010, 09:42 AM)... Jun 29 2010, 09:35 PM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Jun 29 2010, 10:42 AM)... Jun 30 2010, 12:22 AM
Wandering One QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 05... Jun 30 2010, 12:58 AM
Jhaiisiin I'm not the only one who developed a table lik... Jun 30 2010, 12:15 AM
Ol' Scratch Oh I see.
What you're actually trying to say ... Jun 30 2010, 01:03 AM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 07... Jun 30 2010, 03:11 AM
Udoshi You guys are still arguing about this?
QUOTE (Ol... Jun 30 2010, 03:16 AM
Ol' Scratch Uhm, no. I can refute that really easy. You do n... Jun 30 2010, 04:07 AM
Udoshi QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 09... Jun 30 2010, 04:58 AM
Udoshi Edit: one moment. Jun 30 2010, 05:12 AM
Jhaiisiin Okay, better question, Doc. You said yourself you... Jun 30 2010, 05:03 AM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Jun 29 2010, 11:03 PM)... Jun 30 2010, 05:17 AM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 29 2010, 10:58 PM) So... Jun 30 2010, 05:09 AM
Udoshi QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 10... Jun 30 2010, 05:14 AM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 29 2010, 11:14 PM) ... Jun 30 2010, 05:20 AM
Udoshi QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 10... Jun 30 2010, 05:19 AM
Ol' Scratch QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 29 2010, 11:19 PM) So... Jun 30 2010, 05:23 AM![]() ![]() |
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