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Ravennus
post Jun 24 2010, 08:54 PM
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Ok, I know this will seem completely stupid to some people... but could someone please explain how Metatype works using the standard RAW Runner's Companion Karmagen rules?

I've always used the BP system in SR4 and SR4A up till now, and the priority chargen in previous versions. However, I might be running a game soon and some players are interested in Karmagen.

After reading the rules presented on Pages 41 and 42... it doesn't seem to compute in my head, especially after doing a search on Karmagen here on dumpshock and reading various posts about it.
In RC, it says that Metatype costs nothing... but then you still start at minimum attribute ratings for your metatype. This just seems like free points, not to mention other metatype features that they get.

Yet I've read posts where some say it just costs the same karma as it costs in BP, and other posts where they say it's BP x 2.

So..... er..... could someone explain this to me?


BTW, I know there are some issues with the RAW Karmagen rules in RC, particularly with Attribute x 3 cost. However, I prefer to keep things as RAW as possible. So unless there is a specific official Catalyst errata, I'll be using the rules as presented in RC. Thanks.
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- Ravennus   Karmagen Metatype cost   Jun 24 2010, 08:54 PM
- - Mäx   QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 24 2010, 11:54 PM) ...   Jun 24 2010, 09:08 PM
|- - Medicineman   Whatever I wrote was allready mentioned Up there ...   Jun 25 2010, 06:18 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   The original intent was that the cost of having to...   Jun 24 2010, 09:18 PM
- - Ravennus   Thank you for the quick replies everyone! So ...   Jun 24 2010, 09:26 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 25 2010, 12:26 AM) ...   Jun 24 2010, 09:37 PM
- - Saint Sithney   In my experience, karmagen results in far too many...   Jun 24 2010, 09:36 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   The few problems with race aside (most of which ca...   Jun 24 2010, 09:38 PM
- - Saint Sithney   And, it's not entirely "house rules...   Jun 24 2010, 09:50 PM
|- - Ravennus   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jun 24 2010, 04:50...   Jun 25 2010, 02:32 AM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 25 2010, 03:32 AM) ...   Jun 25 2010, 02:36 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 25 2010, 10:32 AM) ...   Jun 25 2010, 02:41 AM
- - Ravennus   Wow... thank you AH. Thank was extraordinarily he...   Jun 25 2010, 02:49 AM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (Ravennus @ Jun 25 2010, 03:49 AM) ...   Jun 25 2010, 02:58 AM
- - Ravennus   Damn... that's too bad... you've always se...   Jun 25 2010, 03:08 AM
- - Ancient History   Not at the moment, no.   Jun 25 2010, 03:34 AM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   So, AH, what's the point of playing as Human, ...   Jun 25 2010, 12:14 PM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jun 25 2010, 08...   Jun 25 2010, 12:58 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jun 25 2010, 09:58 A...   Jun 25 2010, 04:08 PM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jun 25 2010, 12...   Jun 25 2010, 04:45 PM
||- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jun 25 2010, 01:45 P...   Jun 25 2010, 11:21 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jun 25 2010, 09...   Jun 26 2010, 06:20 AM
- - Caelwyn   Well I imagine its that even though your stats are...   Jun 25 2010, 12:35 PM
|- - TommyTwoToes   QUOTE (Caelwyn @ Jun 25 2010, 07:35 AM) W...   Jun 25 2010, 12:52 PM
- - Gamer6432   Was it intended for Karmagen to include special at...   Jun 25 2010, 03:06 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   It was apparently intended. But to be fair, it wa...   Jun 25 2010, 03:33 PM
- - Ancient History   Doc Funk and I have our occasional differences of ...   Jun 25 2010, 03:39 PM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (Ancient History @ Jun 25 2010, 08...   Jun 26 2010, 12:09 PM
|- - Ancient History   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jun 26 2010, 01:09...   Jun 26 2010, 02:22 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   The only thing it does is make it so mages and tec...   Jun 25 2010, 03:47 PM
- - Ancient History   Like I said, difference of opinion. Low-level attr...   Jun 25 2010, 04:01 PM
- - Cabral   Free feat at 1st level? Wait.... Under karmagen, ...   Jun 25 2010, 04:27 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   Humans receive a +1 to Edge as a racial trait. It...   Jun 25 2010, 04:40 PM
|- - Wandering One   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 09...   Jun 25 2010, 04:57 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 09...   Jun 26 2010, 07:03 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   Then I guess they can secretly start with an Edge ...   Jun 25 2010, 05:07 PM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 01...   Jun 25 2010, 05:19 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   I'm just saying they don't have an Edge at...   Jun 25 2010, 06:04 PM
- - Medicineman   I'm just saying they don't have an Edge at...   Jun 25 2010, 06:08 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   No. The +1 bonus to Edge is a special ability of ...   Jun 25 2010, 06:15 PM
|- - Wandering One   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 11...   Jun 25 2010, 06:39 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   No, it says that's the max rating during chara...   Jun 25 2010, 06:52 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 09...   Jun 26 2010, 01:33 AM
- - Udoshi   Yeah, uh, scratch, you're full of it. In your...   Jun 25 2010, 09:50 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   Really. Show me where it states that a Human...   Jun 25 2010, 11:14 PM
|- - Gamer6432   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 25 2010, 04...   Jun 25 2010, 11:30 PM
- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (Gamer6432 @ Jun 26 2010, 01:30 AM)...   Jun 26 2010, 12:48 AM
- - tagz   SR4A p82 Under "Purchase Attributes" A...   Jun 26 2010, 01:42 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (tagz @ Jun 25 2010, 08:42 PM) All ...   Jun 26 2010, 03:44 AM
- - Falconer   To OP: Short of severe house ruling, karmagen as p...   Jun 26 2010, 03:31 AM
- - Cabral   Scratch, Perhaps the reason edge is excluded from ...   Jun 26 2010, 05:11 AM
- - Falconer   Almost exactly Glyph. The lumping of special attr...   Jun 26 2010, 07:09 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Falconer @ Jun 25 2010, 11:09 PM) ...   Jun 26 2010, 12:20 PM
- - Mäx   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 26 2010, 06...   Jun 26 2010, 08:45 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jun 26 2010, 03:45 AM) So yo...   Jun 26 2010, 08:27 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 26 2010, 11...   Jun 26 2010, 09:13 PM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jun 26 2010, 02:13 PM) What ...   Jun 27 2010, 12:06 AM
- - Falconer   Small point, Your cost benefit is only including ...   Jun 26 2010, 02:25 PM
- - MJBurrage   Except that Ol' Sctrach's interpretation g...   Jun 27 2010, 03:22 AM
- - Saint Sithney   Ah yeah. 5 less karma, per buy at every buy durin...   Jun 27 2010, 07:20 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   And yet, oddly enough, not everyone in my game...   Jun 27 2010, 09:45 AM
|- - Cabral   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 27 2010, 04...   Jun 27 2010, 05:30 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Cabral @ Jun 27 2010, 11:30 AM) An...   Jun 27 2010, 06:08 PM
||- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Cabral @ Jun 27 2010, 12:30 PM) Ju...   Jun 27 2010, 07:15 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 27 2010, 12...   Jun 27 2010, 07:34 PM
||- - Cabral   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 27 2010, 02...   Jun 28 2010, 12:45 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 27 2010, 12...   Jun 27 2010, 07:47 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   It's no more illiterate than your ignoring the...   Jun 27 2010, 09:02 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   Oh, well, you should find some other place to chat...   Jun 28 2010, 01:12 AM
- - Cabral   Careful of the advice you throw around. Don't ...   Jun 28 2010, 02:28 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Cabral @ Jun 27 2010, 08:28 PM) Th...   Jun 28 2010, 04:28 AM
|- - Cabral   I've already addressed why edge would be liste...   Jun 28 2010, 05:18 AM
||- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Cabral @ Jun 27 2010, 11:18 PM) So...   Jun 28 2010, 05:30 AM
||- - MJBurrage   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 28 2010, 12...   Jun 28 2010, 03:09 PM
|- - Aarakin   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 28 2010, 02...   Jun 28 2010, 03:42 PM
- - Saint Sithney   I think the real problem with karmagen is that you...   Jun 28 2010, 02:35 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   Actually, by a literal reading of all the relevant...   Jun 28 2010, 03:57 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 28 2010, 05...   Jun 29 2010, 06:26 AM
- - Samoth   Man, you will go to great lengths to avoid admitti...   Jun 28 2010, 04:12 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Samoth @ Jun 28 2010, 10:12 AM) Ma...   Jun 28 2010, 10:57 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch)My take, however, ignores t...   Jun 28 2010, 04:16 PM
|- - Cabral   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 28 2010, 11...   Jun 29 2010, 04:37 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   Gotta say, Doc, I agree with a lot of the others h...   Jun 29 2010, 04:42 PM
|- - rstehwien   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Jun 29 2010, 09:42 AM)...   Jun 29 2010, 09:35 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Jun 29 2010, 10:42 AM)...   Jun 30 2010, 12:22 AM
|- - Wandering One   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 05...   Jun 30 2010, 12:58 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   I'm not the only one who developed a table lik...   Jun 30 2010, 12:15 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   Oh I see. What you're actually trying to say ...   Jun 30 2010, 01:03 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 07...   Jun 30 2010, 03:11 AM
|- - Udoshi   You guys are still arguing about this? QUOTE (Ol...   Jun 30 2010, 03:16 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   Uhm, no. I can refute that really easy. You do n...   Jun 30 2010, 04:07 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 09...   Jun 30 2010, 04:58 AM
|- - Udoshi   Edit: one moment.   Jun 30 2010, 05:12 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   Okay, better question, Doc. You said yourself you...   Jun 30 2010, 05:03 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Jun 29 2010, 11:03 PM)...   Jun 30 2010, 05:17 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 29 2010, 10:58 PM) So...   Jun 30 2010, 05:09 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 10...   Jun 30 2010, 05:14 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 29 2010, 11:14 PM) ...   Jun 30 2010, 05:20 AM
- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Jun 29 2010, 10...   Jun 30 2010, 05:19 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 29 2010, 11:19 PM) So...   Jun 30 2010, 05:23 AM
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