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mielikki
post Aug 2 2010, 09:19 PM
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We've been playing SR4/A for seven months. Most of the group are SR novices alltogether, some have played SR2 before, but SR4 is new to us all. We have been slowly getting the grasp of wireless matrix, but up till now we haven't really dealt with riggers and rigging at all.

We've had a new player join the game a couple weeks ago (also new to SR4, but familiar with SR3), who he has a min-maxed TM rigger with plenty of drones, and remembers only the rules that are in favour of his character (don't all players?).

I, as the GM, am really struggling with it at the moment. The game is turning into "the rigger has drones all over the place, they hear everything and see everything and follow everyone through the crowdiest places, and are untraceable", which is taking the fun away from the other players and from me as well.

When this was voiced, the rigger player told me that I am free to tell him the drones don't see/hear/follow the person in question whenever I feel like it, and that he is OK with it. Well, I am not. I don't really like screwing the PC's options because I cannot handle the situation, and I do believe in predictability of the world.

But at the moment, I am not really sure what are the limitations of a rigger using drones. I am looking both for in-game options and rules mechanics that I might have missed. I don't have a copy of Unwired, can't get hold of the SR3 rulebook Rigger (or how it was called - I've seen several people mentioning it on DS as good source for riggers even in SR4), so if there is something there that would greatly help us, please paraphrase instead of pointing me to a page number.

For a starter, after last game (when the rigger was trying to use a drone with facial recognition program to spot the target entering an office building in the very center of Downtown, with his drone 5 kilometers above ground so he'd avoid the KE routine check of drones in air), I've come with the following:

1) weather limitations - can't see through clouds, so if it is cloudy, drones need to keep low
2) signal - at 5,000 meters, the only way to communicate with the drone is satelite up-link, which costs extra
3) angle - if you want the drone to be able to recognize faces, it needs to be low, because otherwise you will get a nice view of everybody's hats
4) sensors - to recognize anybody, the drone must make a Sensor + Clearsight (vs. possibly Infiltration + Agility) test, so even at lvl3 sensors the drone has little chance to spot somebody who is evading it? Does distance factor in that?

Any input is welcome. I need to get the feel what the drones can and cannot do - I don't want to screw the rigger, but I don't want him to dominate the game just because I am not familiar with the rules and the players sees them in his favour.
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- mielikki   how to handle a rigger   Aug 2 2010, 09:19 PM
- - suoq   Signal Rating Table: (Pg 222 in my book). What...   Aug 2 2010, 09:29 PM
- - sabs   1) This is a good one. 2) Signal - check the signa...   Aug 2 2010, 09:32 PM
- - Inpu   The signal bit is huge, because if an enemy Hacker...   Aug 2 2010, 09:42 PM
- - DireRadiant   Jammers are cheap. Drones aren't invisible, i...   Aug 2 2010, 10:12 PM
- - Voran   I confess that I tend to use drones (especially th...   Aug 2 2010, 10:34 PM
- - Neraph   1) Wireless negating wallpaper on run buildings. ...   Aug 2 2010, 10:56 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 3 2010, 12:56 AM) 3) ...   Aug 3 2010, 12:51 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Aug 3 2010, 07:51 AM...   Aug 3 2010, 10:31 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 3 2010, 12:56 AM) 3) ...   Aug 4 2010, 07:40 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 4 2010, 08:40 AM) So e...   Aug 4 2010, 12:48 PM
||- - Karoline   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Aug 4 2010, 08:48 AM) P...   Aug 4 2010, 02:21 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 4 2010, 02:40 AM) So e...   Aug 4 2010, 05:02 PM
- - Jaid   also, don't forget that sensors have a signal ...   Aug 2 2010, 11:59 PM
|- - suoq   QUOTE (Jaid @ Aug 2 2010, 06:59 PM) so if...   Aug 3 2010, 01:06 AM
|- - Voran   QUOTE (suoq @ Aug 2 2010, 08:06 PM) Clari...   Aug 3 2010, 02:44 AM
|- - suoq   QUOTE (Voran @ Aug 2 2010, 08:44 PM) Yeah...   Aug 3 2010, 03:12 AM
- - Punchline   You have earned my first post on these forums-- I...   Aug 3 2010, 12:22 AM
- - Udoshi   Pft. Machine sprites cost you nothing but time as ...   Aug 3 2010, 03:21 AM
- - Neraph   Assuming you have the time to set them up.   Aug 3 2010, 03:44 AM
- - Wasabi   Machine Sprites count as Agents, not Pilots. They ...   Aug 3 2010, 03:58 AM
- - Runner Smurf   My experience with playing and GMing drone riggers...   Aug 3 2010, 04:13 AM
- - Saint Sithney   Uh-oh! Have I got some bad news for your boy...   Aug 3 2010, 04:50 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Aug 2 2010, 10:50 ...   Aug 3 2010, 05:35 AM
- - Voran   I tend to use drones as dumb tools as well, in the...   Aug 3 2010, 10:48 AM
- - Ascalaphus   Run a scenario in which the runners are hired to g...   Aug 3 2010, 11:51 AM
|- - Inpu   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Aug 3 2010, 01:51 PM)...   Aug 3 2010, 12:15 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Inpu @ Aug 3 2010, 02:15 PM) That ...   Aug 3 2010, 01:02 PM
- - mielikki   Thank you everybody for your replies and input...   Aug 3 2010, 01:02 PM
|- - suoq   QUOTE (mielikki @ Aug 3 2010, 07:02 AM) O...   Aug 3 2010, 03:40 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (mielikki @ Aug 3 2010, 09:02 AM) T...   Aug 4 2010, 01:15 AM
|- - rumanchu   QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 06:15 PM) 1...   Aug 4 2010, 01:57 AM
|- - suoq   QUOTE (rumanchu @ Aug 3 2010, 08:57 PM) I...   Aug 4 2010, 02:35 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (suoq @ Aug 3 2010, 09:35 PM) If ...   Aug 4 2010, 02:47 AM
|- - rumanchu   QUOTE (suoq @ Aug 3 2010, 07:35 PM) If ...   Aug 4 2010, 02:56 AM
- - Sengir   QUOTE (mielikki @ Aug 2 2010, 09:19 PM) 4...   Aug 3 2010, 01:24 PM
- - sabs   even minidrones have radar.   Aug 3 2010, 03:42 PM
|- - suoq   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 3 2010, 10:42 AM) even ...   Aug 3 2010, 04:24 PM
- - sabs   Okay you're right. Although that makes absolu...   Aug 3 2010, 04:40 PM
- - DMiller   Not to completely derail this conversation, but a ...   Aug 3 2010, 10:18 PM
- - sabs   Since when can jammers do that though? There's...   Aug 4 2010, 03:06 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 3 2010, 10:06 PM) It...   Aug 4 2010, 03:17 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 3 2010, 10:06 PM) Since...   Aug 4 2010, 03:35 AM
|- - rumanchu   QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 08:35 PM) E...   Aug 4 2010, 05:03 AM
- - Redcrow   I remember once having some fun with a Rigger PC t...   Aug 4 2010, 03:21 AM
- - Ascalaphus   But do jammers really have the range required to b...   Aug 4 2010, 06:32 AM
- - simplexio   My 2 cents to conversation about jammers. 4G mobil...   Aug 4 2010, 09:04 AM
- - sabs   Okay Smart Jammers are magic.. Got it.   Aug 4 2010, 12:57 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 4 2010, 07:57 AM) Okay ...   Aug 4 2010, 02:55 PM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 4 2010, 07:55 AM) Not...   Aug 4 2010, 06:35 PM
- - cndblank   Camera Neutralizer would be fairly common. I...   Aug 4 2010, 02:49 PM
- - suoq   I'm having a hard time finding a cost for buyi...   Aug 4 2010, 05:20 PM
- - Neraph   They were Dobermans with Fichetti Security 600s, I...   Aug 4 2010, 05:22 PM
- - Udoshi   Wouldn't that be better handled by a Data requ...   Aug 5 2010, 12:11 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It is a mistake to even try to think about how sma...   Aug 5 2010, 12:12 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 4 2010, 07:12 PM)...   Aug 5 2010, 12:25 AM
- - CanRay   Smart Jammers work by being smarter than the peopl...   Aug 5 2010, 12:13 AM
- - Yerameyahu   You said they run on magic. And then there was a ...   Aug 5 2010, 12:29 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 4 2010, 07:29 PM)...   Aug 5 2010, 12:48 AM
- - WearzManySkins   OK current day FAA etc use RADAR only as ground ap...   Aug 5 2010, 12:50 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Aug 4 2010, 08:50...   Aug 5 2010, 01:12 AM
|- - WearzManySkins   QUOTE (Jaid @ Aug 4 2010, 08:12 PM) meh. ...   Aug 5 2010, 03:20 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Aug 4 2010, 10:20...   Aug 5 2010, 03:28 AM
|- - WearzManySkins   QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 4 2010, 10:28 PM) N...   Aug 5 2010, 03:32 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Aug 4 2010, 10:32...   Aug 5 2010, 03:37 AM
|- - WearzManySkins   QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 4 2010, 10:37 PM) O...   Aug 5 2010, 03:58 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Jesus, Karoline, that *exactly* what I said.   Aug 5 2010, 12:54 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 4 2010, 07:54 PM)...   Aug 5 2010, 01:37 AM
- - suoq   http://www.sandia.gov/radar/rtv.html http://www.sa...   Aug 5 2010, 03:55 AM
- - Saint Sithney   Here's what Seattle 2072 says on the matter. ...   Aug 6 2010, 04:48 AM


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