 What's the point of melee? |
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So basically me and my group started Shadowrun three weeks ago. None of us have experience with the system. Last week we fumbled a bit with the combat system (missed on the initiative passes and a couple of modifiers). But this week we got into full combat... Basically it was the last combat in "Everyone's your friend".
The characters are, a Radical Eco-Shaman, a Street Samurai, a Gunslinger Adept (straight from the book) and a Bounty Hunter made from scratch. Point is, the character with the Gunslinger Adept, could make with two pistols, 12 attacks on a turn (3 initiative passes, 4 with two simple actions per pass), on the other hand the bounty hunter who fought in melee with two katanas, only had 1 attack with 1 complex action. The deal is, the gunslinger dispatched 3 guys in 2 turns, while the bounty hunter just hit one. Needles to say, the bounty hunter felt kinda useless. We all felt on the table that ranged combat was clearly superior to melee combat... Am I right? Or did we do something wrong? |
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MDosantos What's the point of melee? Aug 13 2010, 06:25 AM
Shinobi Killfist No you are right. And the SR4 fans will be sure t... Aug 13 2010, 06:28 AM
Critias QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 13 2010, 01... Aug 13 2010, 06:49 AM MDosantos QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 13 2010, 02:49 AM) O... Aug 13 2010, 06:56 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 13 2010, 02:49 AM) O... Aug 13 2010, 11:18 AM StealthSigma QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 13 2010, 02:49 AM) O... Aug 13 2010, 07:19 PM Traul QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Aug 13 2010, 09:19 ... Aug 13 2010, 07:42 PM Mäx Did you use all the rules for shooting.
That gunsl... Aug 13 2010, 06:44 AM MDosantos QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 13 2010, 02:44 AM) Did y... Aug 13 2010, 06:53 AM Mäx QUOTE (MDosantos @ Aug 13 2010, 08:53 AM)... Aug 13 2010, 07:04 AM Mäx QUOTE (MDosantos @ Aug 13 2010, 08:53 AM)... Aug 13 2010, 09:20 AM Acme Well to be honest, ignoring Shinobi's comment.... Aug 13 2010, 06:46 AM Mooncrow Well, not to argue the basic point, but you have a... Aug 13 2010, 06:50 AM Kruger Well, except in Warhammer 40K, the man with the gu... Aug 13 2010, 06:59 AM Glyph I think Max had it right - the gunslinger adept ha... Aug 13 2010, 07:02 AM Shrike30 Using the subdual rules can make a character bruta... Aug 13 2010, 07:09 AM Voran Melee, and by relation, unarmed combat, may seem l... Aug 13 2010, 08:13 AM ColdEquation You know (grognarding ahead, continue at your own ... Aug 13 2010, 08:19 AM Doc Chase QUOTE (ColdEquation @ Aug 13 2010, 08:19 ... Aug 13 2010, 02:38 PM Voran Strike First! Strike Hard! Show no mercy s... Aug 13 2010, 08:40 AM Thanee The big question here is... does the world adjust ... Aug 13 2010, 09:01 AM Ascalaphus As a general rule, if you want to feel like you ma... Aug 13 2010, 09:04 AM Critias More than a shooting versus melee issue, it seems ... Aug 13 2010, 09:10 AM toturi And what did the Street Sam or the Shaman do?
The... Aug 13 2010, 09:42 AM The Jopp In the scenario you outline it seems that you had ... Aug 13 2010, 10:08 AM codemonkey_uk QUOTE (The Jopp @ Aug 13 2010, 11:08 AM) ... Aug 13 2010, 11:17 AM The Jopp QUOTE (codemonkey_uk @ Aug 13 2010, 11:17... Aug 13 2010, 11:45 AM Mäx QUOTE (The Jopp @ Aug 13 2010, 01:45 PM) ... Aug 13 2010, 11:47 AM The Jopp QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 13 2010, 12:47 PM) Smart... Aug 13 2010, 12:02 PM Ascalaphus QUOTE (The Jopp @ Aug 13 2010, 02:02 PM) ... Aug 13 2010, 01:35 PM The Jopp QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Aug 13 2010, 01:35 PM... Aug 13 2010, 02:09 PM CanRay QUOTE (The Jopp @ Aug 13 2010, 09:09 AM) ... Aug 13 2010, 02:39 PM Elfenlied QUOTE (The Jopp @ Aug 13 2010, 01:02 PM) ... Aug 13 2010, 02:08 PM The Jopp QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Aug 13 2010, 02:08 PM)... Aug 13 2010, 02:13 PM Grinder So a guncam would double the cost of a AK-97 (ok, ... Aug 13 2010, 02:11 PM Doc Chase If I'm running a mage or a purist adept, they ... Aug 13 2010, 02:41 PM CanRay QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Aug 13 2010, 09:41 AM)... Aug 13 2010, 02:48 PM sabs True
but smartlink is the worlds cheapest +2 dice.... Aug 13 2010, 03:00 PM yesferatu Obviously, I've had melee success mainly with ... Aug 13 2010, 03:30 PM MDosantos Thanks to everyone for the replies, as I said, I w... Aug 13 2010, 04:51 PM Smokeskin The melee rules are kinda borked in that a charact... Aug 13 2010, 05:42 PM sabs Well, the problem also is that characters in melee... Aug 13 2010, 05:45 PM Blastula QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 13 2010, 09:45 AM) Well... Aug 13 2010, 06:34 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Blastula @ Aug 13 2010, 02:34 PM) ... Aug 13 2010, 06:40 PM Smokeskin QUOTE (sabs @ Aug 13 2010, 07:45 PM) Well... Aug 13 2010, 09:01 PM Grinder QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Aug 13 2010, 07:42 PM)... Aug 13 2010, 05:45 PM Acme I agree with Grinder. Please provide examples, Sm... Aug 13 2010, 05:52 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 13 2010, 01:49 AM) O... Aug 13 2010, 08:25 PM Critias QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 13 2010, 03... Aug 13 2010, 09:50 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 13 2010, 04:50 PM) U... Aug 13 2010, 09:58 PM Smokeskin QUOTE (Acme @ Aug 13 2010, 07:52 PM) I ag... Aug 13 2010, 09:16 PM Combat Mage Well it's true to some extend in my opinion.
... Aug 13 2010, 06:11 PM Grinder Thought the question was more focued on the damage... Aug 13 2010, 06:13 PM sabs If you can't hit.. how much damage you do is m... Aug 13 2010, 06:14 PM Combat Mage If it's just about base damage then I agree, t... Aug 13 2010, 06:15 PM Grinder True that, didn't take that into account. Aug 13 2010, 06:17 PM Combat Mage But it's a lot less cinematic when hero#1 has ... Aug 13 2010, 06:39 PM Nifft Melee is how a physical adept with a weapon focus ... Aug 13 2010, 06:52 PM SaintHax The problem is simple mechanics: the system thinks... Aug 13 2010, 08:33 PM CypherDragon QUOTE (SaintHax @ Aug 13 2010, 03:33 PM) ... Aug 13 2010, 09:02 PM Nifft QUOTE (SaintHax @ Aug 13 2010, 03:33 PM) ... Aug 13 2010, 09:10 PM Combat Mage I see nothing forbidding you from doing a called s... Aug 13 2010, 07:33 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Combat Mage @ Aug 13 2010, 03:33 P... Aug 13 2010, 07:59 PM Combat Mage Would be nice housrule that improves trolls' m... Aug 13 2010, 07:44 PM itaipee Ranged is better then melee - but it should be ev... Aug 13 2010, 07:44 PM Combat Mage If you're talking about close quarters combat ... Aug 13 2010, 07:46 PM Critias Guys, c'mon. When you bring real life into it... Aug 13 2010, 07:48 PM Combat Mage QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 13 2010, 09:48 PM) G... Aug 13 2010, 07:48 PM Yerameyahu Psh, why would you *let* them get within knife ran... Aug 13 2010, 07:51 PM Acme You know this thread is just going to end with som... Aug 13 2010, 07:57 PM Blastula QUOTE (Acme @ Aug 13 2010, 11:57 AM) You ... Aug 13 2010, 08:04 PM sabs QUOTE (Acme @ Aug 13 2010, 08:57 PM) You ... Aug 13 2010, 08:07 PM Yerameyahu Huh? Aug 13 2010, 08:02 PM Yerameyahu I think a gun is already the best of both worlds. Aug 13 2010, 08:05 PM Acme Phsst.. leetle flechettes.
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I want b... Aug 13 2010, 08:14 PM DrZaius I think melee is neat. I've heard it described... Aug 13 2010, 09:21 PM Smokeskin Yeah, you can make some combat monsters if you sin... Aug 13 2010, 09:37 PM Udoshi QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Aug 13 2010, 02:37 PM)... Aug 13 2010, 10:12 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Udoshi @ Aug 13 2010, 05:12 PM) An... Aug 13 2010, 10:17 PM yesferatu I don't know when people got it in their heads... Aug 13 2010, 09:48 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 13 2010, 04:48 PM)... Aug 13 2010, 10:05 PM Kruger QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 13 2010, 02... Aug 13 2010, 11:29 PM X-Kalibur Just take an Ares Monosword and mod it with a pers... Aug 13 2010, 09:51 PM Mäx I kinda like my tiger shifter adept build i made a... Aug 13 2010, 09:53 PM Daier Mune I seem to remember that hand to hand combat in 3rd... Aug 13 2010, 09:55 PM Critias QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Aug 13 2010, 05:55 PM... Aug 13 2010, 09:58 PM Darkeus The Mystic Adept in my game is doing a good job of... Aug 13 2010, 10:09 PM yesferatu I wouldn't say I disagree with you, but Tyson... Aug 13 2010, 10:15 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 13 2010, 05:15 PM)... Aug 13 2010, 10:21 PM Whipstitch One thing to keep in mind with close combat skills... Aug 13 2010, 10:20 PM X-Kalibur Maybe Tyson uses lots of called shots for +4DV alo... Aug 13 2010, 10:25 PM BlueMax QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Aug 13 2010, 02:2... Aug 13 2010, 11:24 PM Acme And I'm sure this is going to be yelled down, ... Aug 13 2010, 10:40 PM Whipstitch It's easy to forget now with all the ear bitin... Aug 13 2010, 10:41 PM Voran I guess in a way, to make melee useful again would... Aug 13 2010, 11:10 PM BlueMax QUOTE (Voran @ Aug 13 2010, 03:10 PM) I g... Aug 13 2010, 11:18 PM Voran QUOTE (BlueMax @ Aug 13 2010, 06:18 PM) I... Aug 13 2010, 11:43 PM Acme And Shadowrun isn't the only game where guns o... Aug 13 2010, 11:35 PM Johnny Hammersticks The real answer to the question "what's t... Aug 14 2010, 12:33 AM CanRay Because it's hard to intimidate with a firearm... Aug 14 2010, 12:55 AM  |
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