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Kagetenshi
post Nov 11 2010, 02:58 PM
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So the utter uselessness of Orks has bothered me for a long time, as has the fact that Trolls are only useful in the very narrow role of "melee monster" (even if they are devastating in that role). Well, ok, I also did once see a Troll Adept with Missile Mastery that was pretty scary.

Also, the fact that Elves simply cost too much unless you play their strengths to the hilt—speedsam or ultraconjurer or uberFace or more likely some combination of the above. And the fact that humans are vastly overpowered in a long campaign due to the double-growth of Karma Pool.

Anyway, I've mused on these issues for a long time, and have come up with the following proposals which I'd like feedback on.

All: everyone gains karma pool at the same rate (whichever rate that is).

Human: every time they gain a karma pool point, they gain an additional point of regular karma that doesn't count towards total karma (for purposes of earning more KP). Alternately, an extra point of karma pool at chargen (though that seems to diminish too quickly)

Elf: gain thermographic vision in addition to current low-light. A small utility perk that doesn't overpower the preexisting roles, but gives everyone else a little more bang for their Elf buck.

Dwarf: as-is. Maybe gain automatic nickname "Stumpy".

Troll: use vehicle recoil rules (half recoil). Maybe still kick down to -1 Int instead of -2.

Ork: no INT penalty, maybe +3 STR instead of +2 (though that starts to horn in on Troll territory, but then due to the low value of STR giving them another +1 isn't out of the question).

Thoughts?

~J
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- Kagetenshi   Rebalancing the Metatypes   Nov 11 2010, 02:58 PM
- - Mongoose   Er, What? Orks (in SR4) are hands down the best m...   Nov 11 2010, 03:22 PM
- - Zyerne   I assume this is SR3? I don't think anyone is ...   Nov 11 2010, 03:22 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 11 2010, 10:22 AM) I ...   Nov 11 2010, 03:59 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 11 2010, 10:59 AM) ...   Nov 11 2010, 05:00 PM
- - Kliko   Orks are great in sr3! I mean, little speciali...   Nov 11 2010, 06:39 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Kliko @ Nov 11 2010, 01:39 PM) Ork...   Nov 11 2010, 07:11 PM
- - Jizmack   I think the problem is creating a character that i...   Nov 11 2010, 06:55 PM
- - Glyph   I never found the races that unbalanced in SR3. E...   Nov 11 2010, 07:50 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 11 2010, 02:50 PM) Tha...   Nov 11 2010, 08:32 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Nov 11 2010, 12:32 PM...   Nov 11 2010, 08:55 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 11 2010, 03:55 PM) Sor...   Nov 11 2010, 10:04 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   It's probably another situation of "Not o...   Nov 11 2010, 07:57 PM
- - Laodicea   One time I tried to play an ork, but she was like ...   Nov 11 2010, 08:13 PM
- - Medicineman   Go play an Albino Nightone.... Or a Satyr Ki-Adep...   Nov 11 2010, 08:18 PM
|- - etherial   QUOTE (Medicineman @ Nov 11 2010, 03:18 P...   Nov 11 2010, 10:09 PM
- - Mongoose   Ah well, sorry I missed that little ~500 pixel tag...   Nov 11 2010, 09:55 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 11 2010, 04:55 PM) ...   Nov 11 2010, 11:40 PM
- - Mongoose   QUOTE Where by "slightly less" we mean a...   Nov 12 2010, 02:13 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 11 2010, 09:13 PM) ...   Nov 12 2010, 03:31 AM
- - Mongoose   (12+9+6)/2 = 13.5 (11+8+6)/2 = 12.5 Why is the E...   Nov 12 2010, 03:52 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 11 2010, 10:52 PM) ...   Nov 12 2010, 04:42 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Yeah, that's my story and I'm sticking to ...   Nov 12 2010, 12:05 PM
- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   Hmm. To me it seems the Ork is the more well-round...   Nov 12 2010, 01:47 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 12 2010, 08...   Nov 12 2010, 01:54 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Nov 12 2010, 02:54 PM...   Nov 12 2010, 02:12 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 12 2010, 09...   Nov 12 2010, 03:10 PM
- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   Ok, quick one for the armour, don't have much ...   Nov 12 2010, 04:41 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 12 2010, 11...   Nov 12 2010, 05:26 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Nov 12 2010, 06:26 PM...   Nov 14 2010, 10:57 PM
- - Mongoose   Yeah, the Elf's 2 body scares me; Body is the ...   Nov 12 2010, 05:28 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 12 2010, 12:28 PM) ...   Nov 12 2010, 07:56 PM
- - Kagetenshi   So I realized today that the speedsam build reflec...   Nov 13 2010, 07:10 PM
- - Mongoose   SR3 character generation is rather kind when it co...   Nov 13 2010, 09:12 PM
- - JaronK   I think Orcs are fine... underused a bit perhaps, ...   Nov 15 2010, 07:25 AM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (JaronK @ Nov 15 2010, 08:25 AM) I ...   Nov 15 2010, 12:50 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (JaronK @ Nov 15 2010, 02:25 AM) (b...   Nov 15 2010, 06:13 PM
- - nezumi   I've never had any problem with elves. They ca...   Nov 15 2010, 03:20 PM
- - Stahlseele   QUOTE And trolls just get picked up by the looney....   Nov 15 2010, 05:44 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Ok, some ideas that I'm going to playtest when...   Nov 15 2010, 06:50 PM
- - JaronK   Trolls already have that nice advantage that they ...   Nov 16 2010, 01:20 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (JaronK @ Nov 15 2010, 08:20 PM) Tr...   Nov 16 2010, 03:07 AM
- - JaronK   I don't see much wrong with trolls. They...   Nov 17 2010, 03:12 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (JaronK @ Nov 16 2010, 10:12 PM) I ...   Nov 17 2010, 03:41 AM
- - JaronK   ...Yeah, we kinda already have guys like that. Th...   Nov 17 2010, 05:38 AM
- - Kagetenshi   The key, I think, is a good Rigger and team coordi...   Nov 17 2010, 05:59 AM
- - JaronK   The big issue is that in more stealth oriented gam...   Nov 17 2010, 10:02 AM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (JaronK @ Nov 17 2010, 11:02 AM) Yo...   Nov 17 2010, 02:22 PM
- - Kagetenshi   In the really stealth-oriented games ("you we...   Nov 17 2010, 01:32 PM
- - JaronK   Assault Cannons are still good, I just think they...   Nov 18 2010, 12:45 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (JaronK @ Nov 17 2010, 07:45 PM) As...   Nov 18 2010, 01:32 AM
- - JaronK   Heh, the rounds are explosive though. Just becaus...   Nov 18 2010, 01:45 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (JaronK @ Nov 17 2010, 08:45 PM) He...   Nov 18 2010, 11:27 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Let me guess, you ran without a dedicated Rigger ...   Nov 18 2010, 02:21 AM
|- - JaronK   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Nov 17 2010, 09:21 PM...   Nov 18 2010, 01:17 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (JaronK @ Nov 18 2010, 08:17 AM) Ac...   Nov 18 2010, 04:00 PM
- - JaronK   IIRC Body 3 covers anything from small to midsized...   Nov 19 2010, 01:03 AM
- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   Albino trolls FTW   Nov 19 2010, 09:15 AM


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