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post Dec 4 2010, 03:42 AM
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It seems to be every so popular a dump stat these days, as it doesn't show up in tests made all that commonly.

However it's pretty weak. And in principle limits you drastically before tests and penalites ensue.

So I figured I'd look up some weights and share.

grenade - about a half kilo
pistol -little over a kilo
AK-47, loaded - just under five kilos (but if you add an underbarrel grenade launcher or much for accessories it'll be over 5)
Barret M82 sniper rifle - nearly 15kg all on its own!
Basic clothing, pocket contents, and shoes - 1-2 Kg (or more, if those boots are horrershow)
Modern lighter armored vest (guestimate for form fitting body armor half suit) 3+kg
modern armed jacket (yeah they sell those now) 3+ kg

Obviously a str1 character will have to pick their gear carefully.

But what do you think about things like doing a chin up and that sort of thing? I figure the climbing rules apply when you can get your feet involved, but what about when you can't so much? I figure that applies beyond strength one. For example a strength 3 but bod9 orc with some gear. Actually would you modify climbing tests by just the standard -1 for going over the weight limit?

Any other actions people might take for granted that these physically challenged individuals might need to be concerned about?
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- sunnyside   The strength one life   Dec 4 2010, 03:42 AM
- - Glyph   Someone with Strength:1 can carry 10 kg (about 22 ...   Dec 4 2010, 05:43 AM
- - SpellBinder   Would love to see a Strength 1 character try and d...   Dec 4 2010, 05:45 AM
- - Glyph   It would have been even funnier if he couldn't...   Dec 4 2010, 05:49 AM
- - Redcrow   As a GM I really enjoy when players do silly thing...   Dec 4 2010, 06:01 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   Weren't weights pretty much eliminated in SR4?...   Dec 4 2010, 06:16 AM
|- - Aku   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Dec 4 2010, 01:16 AM) ...   Dec 4 2010, 08:21 AM
- - Medicineman   Strength is damned important for the Athletic Grou...   Dec 4 2010, 06:59 AM
- - LurkerOutThere   While i agree that i'd rather see strength use...   Dec 4 2010, 07:53 AM
- - SpellBinder   Personally I like the idea of not having to microm...   Dec 4 2010, 09:39 AM
|- - Megu   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Dec 4 2010, 04:39 AM...   Dec 5 2010, 02:59 AM
- - Aku   not having to micromanage is good, yes, but at the...   Dec 4 2010, 10:33 AM
- - UmaroVI   Honestly, you could fix this by just saying ...   Dec 4 2010, 01:06 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Dec 4 2010, 08:06 AM) Ho...   Dec 4 2010, 02:54 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 4 2010, 09:54 AM) W...   Dec 4 2010, 03:38 PM
|- - J. Packer   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 4 2010, 08:38 AM)...   Dec 4 2010, 03:50 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 4 2010, 10:38 AM)...   Dec 4 2010, 04:26 PM
- - Faraday   As far as encumbrance is concerned, I'd only w...   Dec 4 2010, 02:56 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Faraday @ Dec 4 2010, 09:56 AM) As...   Dec 4 2010, 03:06 PM
- - Zyerne   OTOH, mages and TMs will notice the effects of an ...   Dec 4 2010, 03:14 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Zyerne @ Dec 4 2010, 10:14 AM) OTO...   Dec 4 2010, 03:17 PM
- - Zyerne   Granted it will have a bigger effect as a percenta...   Dec 4 2010, 03:27 PM
- - Squiddy Attack   Besides, pushing or dragging something heavy is mu...   Dec 4 2010, 04:43 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Squiddy Attack @ Dec 4 2010, 11:43...   Dec 4 2010, 05:00 PM
- - Link   I don't think STR has become todays 'dump ...   Dec 4 2010, 05:35 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Link @ Dec 4 2010, 12:35 PM) I don...   Dec 4 2010, 07:31 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Jaid @ Dec 4 2010, 02:31 PM) sure,...   Dec 4 2010, 07:50 PM
- - Whipstitch   Even weight lifting can be as much (if not more) a...   Dec 4 2010, 08:16 PM
- - Summerstorm   No character (well, no PLAYED shadowrunner charact...   Dec 4 2010, 11:45 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Dec 4 2010, 06:45 PM...   Dec 5 2010, 02:19 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 5 2010, 10:19 AM) T...   Dec 5 2010, 03:35 AM
- - Aku   Well, this is part of the problem with such a narr...   Dec 5 2010, 02:31 AM
- - Whipstitch   A low Willpower stat is also an easy one to justif...   Dec 5 2010, 03:06 AM
- - Karoline   I considered that Whipstitch, but my problem with ...   Dec 5 2010, 03:26 AM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 4 2010, 11:26 PM) I...   Dec 5 2010, 04:58 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 4 2010, 08:26 PM) A...   Dec 5 2010, 06:03 PM
- - Summerstorm   I don't have anything against stats on 2... Ra...   Dec 5 2010, 03:36 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Dec 4 2010, 10:36 PM...   Dec 5 2010, 03:46 PM
- - Glyph   Plus, again, this "huge difference" is 1...   Dec 5 2010, 05:48 AM
|- - Manunancy   QUOTE (Glyph @ Dec 5 2010, 06:48 AM) An A...   Dec 5 2010, 07:34 AM
- - Summerstorm   In costs yes, in impact for chances: no. two is D...   Dec 5 2010, 04:17 PM
|- - Squiddy Attack   QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Dec 5 2010, 08:17 AM...   Dec 5 2010, 04:56 PM
- - Red-ROM   The argument for low strength can probably be made...   Dec 5 2010, 06:11 PM
- - sunnyside   I don't so much think of it as punishing chara...   Dec 6 2010, 03:17 AM
- - Whipstitch   All I'd require is a Climbing check, given tha...   Dec 6 2010, 03:59 AM
- - Sponge   You need more Running in your Shadowrun.   Dec 6 2010, 03:59 AM
- - Ascalaphus   I don't think people should be punished for ta...   Dec 6 2010, 10:28 AM
- - Smokeskin   Armor encumbrance really should be Str+Body. Stren...   Dec 6 2010, 10:59 AM
- - Karoline   I don't have more than a strength of 1 or 2 in...   Dec 6 2010, 11:30 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 6 2010, 12:30 PM) I...   Dec 6 2010, 12:09 PM
|- - HunterHerne   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 6 2010, 07:30 AM) I...   Dec 6 2010, 12:47 PM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 6 2010, 06:30 AM) A...   Dec 6 2010, 08:55 PM
- - Inncubi   I will start this post with a caveat. This is my ...   Dec 6 2010, 02:38 PM
- - squee_nabob   Also, in Shadow Run, you can always command your h...   Dec 6 2010, 03:16 PM
- - Karoline   @Inncubi I like your setup more or less, but it se...   Dec 6 2010, 03:24 PM
|- - Inncubi   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 6 2010, 10:24 AM) @...   Dec 6 2010, 05:10 PM
|- - Sponge   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 6 2010, 10:24 AM) @...   Dec 6 2010, 08:17 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Sponge @ Dec 6 2010, 03:17 PM) Als...   Dec 6 2010, 08:31 PM
||- - Sponge   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 6 2010, 03:31 PM)...   Dec 6 2010, 08:39 PM
||- - sabs   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 6 2010, 09:31 PM)...   Dec 6 2010, 08:52 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Sponge @ Dec 6 2010, 03:17 PM) Con...   Dec 7 2010, 06:51 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 7 2010, 07:51 AM) S...   Dec 7 2010, 08:27 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Sponge @ Dec 6 2010, 03:39 PM) Yes...   Dec 6 2010, 09:04 PM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 6 2010, 04:04 PM)...   Dec 6 2010, 10:39 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Dec 6 2010, 05:39 PM) ...   Dec 6 2010, 11:06 PM
- - Whipstitch   I'm of the opinion that the attribute rules ar...   Dec 6 2010, 10:36 PM
- - Ascalaphus   I do hope you're not advocating actual equipme...   Dec 7 2010, 12:08 AM
- - Aku   Funny thought:If you consider doing a chin up lift...   Dec 7 2010, 01:51 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Aku @ Dec 7 2010, 09:51 AM) Funny ...   Dec 7 2010, 02:13 AM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 6 2010, 06:06 PM)...   Dec 7 2010, 04:40 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 6 2010, 07:08 PM)...   Dec 7 2010, 06:53 AM
|- - Aku   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Dec 6 2010, 11:40 PM) ...   Dec 7 2010, 02:13 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Aku @ Dec 7 2010, 09:13 AM) Nope, ...   Dec 7 2010, 02:25 PM
- - Cube   Where the he'll do Orks and Trolls fall into t...   Dec 7 2010, 06:32 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Cube @ Dec 7 2010, 01:32 AM) Where...   Dec 7 2010, 06:53 AM
- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 7 2010, 08:53 AM)...   Dec 7 2010, 12:29 PM
- - sabs   Except of course you'll find that serious shoo...   Dec 7 2010, 03:50 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 7 2010, 04:50 PM) Excep...   Dec 7 2010, 06:38 PM
- - Karoline   And yet you can't represent that at all in the...   Dec 7 2010, 04:22 PM
- - Inncubi   I think that Karoline's arguments are the ones...   Dec 7 2010, 05:04 PM
- - sabs   a lifting test is actually str+body you can lift...   Dec 7 2010, 05:20 PM
|- - Aku   QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 7 2010, 12:20 PM) a lif...   Dec 8 2010, 01:42 AM
- - Karoline   Wait, doesn't a pushup and a benchpress work t...   Dec 7 2010, 06:45 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 7 2010, 01:45 PM) W...   Dec 7 2010, 07:11 PM
||- - Karoline   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 7 2010, 02:11 PM)...   Dec 7 2010, 07:15 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 7 2010, 07:45 PM) W...   Dec 8 2010, 09:13 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Dec 8 2010, 04:13 AM) ...   Dec 8 2010, 02:43 PM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 8 2010, 09:43 AM) W...   Dec 8 2010, 03:38 PM
- - Apathy   Part of the problem here is that we're trying ...   Dec 7 2010, 06:55 PM
- - sunnyside   Alright. So lets see if I've got the gist of ...   Dec 7 2010, 08:34 PM
|- - Inncubi   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Dec 7 2010, 03:34 PM) ...   Dec 7 2010, 10:44 PM
- - sunnyside   I mean lets say you have a character with strength...   Dec 7 2010, 11:08 PM
|- - Faraday   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Dec 7 2010, 05:08 PM) ...   Dec 8 2010, 03:13 PM
- - Karoline   That's true, but most people don't do pull...   Dec 8 2010, 04:45 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 8 2010, 05:45 PM) T...   Dec 8 2010, 04:46 PM
- - Karoline   That would require me to be able to hang by a sing...   Dec 8 2010, 04:50 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 8 2010, 04:50 PM) T...   Dec 8 2010, 05:58 PM
- - sgtbarnes_ky   One thing i've noticed here is that people kee...   Dec 8 2010, 06:39 PM
- - sunnyside   The bulk thing slaps bod 1 characters pretty hard ...   Dec 8 2010, 09:47 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Dec 8 2010, 02:47 PM) ...   Dec 9 2010, 02:33 AM
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