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Tanegar
post Dec 7 2010, 06:43 AM
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First, the good. Dawn of War II feels a lot more like 40k than Dawn of War did. The first one had its moments, but at the end of the day felt more like a generic sci-fi RTS dummied up to look like 40k. I can't really put my finger on why DoW2 does better in this regard, and YMMV. Also, the graphics are great. A marked improvement over DoW, and even Supreme Commander (my previous high-water mark for graphics in an RTS), although I doubt DoW2's graphics would look anything like as good on the scale of Supreme Commander.

Then, the bad. The unit AI is atrocious, and the primary means of taming it is gone. In DoW you could manually set a level of aggressiveness for each squad: either they wouldn't move from their position even when getting hammered, would pursue enemies a short distance and then return, or pursue any foe who came near as long as they could still see it. In Dawn of War II, that last option is the only option. If an enemy squad picks a fight, starts losing, and runs away, your squad will happily chase them across the entire map, more likely than not right into the guns of other enemy squads, and there is apparently no way to curtail this behavior other than by personally checking on each squad every minute or so like an overprotective mother. The level of micromanagement necessary both renders moot any complaints about tiny armies (and they are tiny; if you have more than half a dozen squads at any time you must be churning out cannon fodder) and saps much of the fun from the game.

Dawn of War II's primary draw for me has been the Last Stand gametype, wherein you and two other players control one hero apiece and try to survive waves of AI attackers.

Bottom line: As an RTS, I give it 5/10. As a multiplayer third-person action game, 8/10. Make of that what you will.
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- Tanegar   Dawn of War II   Dec 7 2010, 06:43 AM
- - Stahlseele   The Chaos AddOn is out. And the Ork AddOn is slate...   Dec 7 2010, 08:59 AM
- - Tanegar   I have Chaos Rising. Probably should have mention...   Dec 7 2010, 02:57 PM
- - Stahlseele   Well, the Orky AddOn looks promising to me. You c...   Dec 7 2010, 03:20 PM
- - Karoline   I'd personally love a game that is simply the ...   Dec 7 2010, 03:48 PM
|- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 7 2010, 10:48 AM) I...   Dec 7 2010, 07:47 PM
- - Stahlseele   Well, as far as i understood, the Orky AddOn is go...   Dec 7 2010, 04:31 PM
- - Adarael   I never had any problems with my units charging af...   Dec 7 2010, 06:17 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Adarael @ Dec 7 2010, 01:17 PM) I ...   Dec 7 2010, 06:22 PM
- - Karoline   Think he means in the multiplayer games. I seem t...   Dec 7 2010, 06:31 PM
- - Stahlseele   It's not computer-science people . . oh, wait ...   Dec 7 2010, 08:11 PM
- - StealthSigma   If anyone is interested in doing DoW2 coop send me...   Dec 8 2010, 12:20 AM
- - Stahlseele   Ask me, when the Orky Addon is out, that will give...   Dec 8 2010, 10:20 PM
- - Voran   Figured I'd bump this rather than start my own...   Jan 28 2011, 10:59 AM
- - Adarael   Do you know if (since they're including Imperi...   Jan 28 2011, 05:48 PM
- - Voran   My understanding is that there is a single player ...   Jan 28 2011, 06:31 PM
|- - Fix-it   QUOTE (Voran @ Jan 28 2011, 12:31 PM) My ...   Jan 29 2011, 08:58 PM
- - Adarael   Well, that "klonk" noise you heard was t...   Jan 28 2011, 06:35 PM
- - X-Kalibur   I want them to give us some Sisters of Battle alre...   Jan 28 2011, 06:49 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jan 28 2011, 01:4...   Jan 28 2011, 07:08 PM
- - Stahlseele   Bolter Bitches. Nuns with Guns. Fanwankery at it...   Jan 29 2011, 01:12 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 29 2011, 08:12 AM...   Jan 31 2011, 02:50 PM
- - Stahlseele   ech, i kinda hate the metamap thingie . . get one ...   Jan 29 2011, 11:43 PM
- - Stahlseele   The Ork Version?   Jan 31 2011, 03:00 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 31 2011, 10:00 AM...   Jan 31 2011, 03:03 PM
- - Stahlseele   *shrugs* i'll be getting the non race collecto...   Jan 31 2011, 04:36 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 31 2011, 11:36 AM...   Jan 31 2011, 06:07 PM
- - Stahlseele   You'll be able to get the wargear by tinkering...   Jan 31 2011, 06:11 PM
- - Voran   Yeah. And even if all the wargear aren't hidde...   Jan 31 2011, 10:56 PM
|- - ShadowFighter88   QUOTE (Voran @ Feb 1 2011, 08:56 AM) Yeah...   Feb 4 2011, 12:36 PM
- - Stahlseele   well, i'm still getting it. got the collector...   Jan 31 2011, 11:27 PM
- - Fix-it   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrrCY7dgaqs...eatur...   Feb 3 2011, 08:35 PM
- - Stahlseele   i loled ^^   Feb 3 2011, 10:33 PM
- - Fix-it   for those who don't get it.   Feb 4 2011, 02:17 AM
- - Stahlseele   noez, i can not wait! must achieve instant gra...   Feb 4 2011, 07:01 PM
- - Sengir   So, what does Dumpshock think of the beta? And no ...   Feb 20 2011, 06:12 PM
- - Stahlseele   what beta?   Feb 20 2011, 08:22 PM
- - Sengir   The open beta for Retribution, available on Steam ...   Feb 20 2011, 08:27 PM
- - Stahlseele   good to know! thank you! do i have to have...   Feb 20 2011, 08:28 PM
- - Sengir   Good question...select your beta participation in ...   Feb 20 2011, 08:45 PM
- - Stahlseele   bah, it's only multiplayer <.<   Feb 20 2011, 11:08 PM
- - Sengir   "only" hardly does justice to the great ...   Feb 21 2011, 06:05 PM
- - Stahlseele   sorry, i don't like multiplayer all that much,...   Feb 22 2011, 12:05 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 21 2011, 07:05 PM...   Feb 22 2011, 12:44 PM
||- - Tanegar   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Feb 22 2011, 07:44 ...   Feb 22 2011, 03:07 PM
||- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Tanegar @ Feb 22 2011, 10:07 AM) I...   Feb 22 2011, 05:58 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 22 2011, 01:05 AM...   Feb 22 2011, 01:40 PM
- - Stahlseele   Its kinda like Warcraft 3/Frozen Throne.   Feb 22 2011, 02:27 PM
- - Voran   I do kinda wish they did another round of Company ...   Feb 23 2011, 06:44 AM
- - Stahlseele   So . . Retribution . . 6 Races is all nice and stu...   Mar 3 2011, 09:44 AM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 3 2011, 01:44 AM)...   Mar 3 2011, 05:10 PM
- - Stahlseele   You still can win most missions with only the hero...   Mar 3 2011, 05:20 PM
- - Stahlseele   OK, i like the Orky ending of Retribution ^^   Mar 8 2011, 10:35 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 8 2011, 05:35 PM)...   Mar 14 2011, 12:56 PM
- - Stahlseele   *nods* i'll have to do the tyrannos next. i h...   Mar 14 2011, 07:04 PM
- - Stahlseele   Ok, i just brute forced myself through the Tyranno...   Mar 15 2011, 01:04 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 14 2011, 08:04 PM...   Mar 15 2011, 03:11 PM
- - Stahlseele   Jah, i usually have one melee, maybe two, and the ...   Mar 15 2011, 04:16 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 15 2011, 11:16 AM...   Mar 15 2011, 05:00 PM
- - Stahlseele   Guess. Basically, it's indicated by allmost in...   Mar 15 2011, 07:55 PM
- - StealthSigma   Beat the Tyranid campaign on normal. Was definite...   Mar 21 2011, 07:06 PM
- - Stahlseele   you can get an imperial shit ton of the small tyra...   Mar 21 2011, 10:42 PM
- - StealthSigma   I went 3 stamina, 5 melee, 2 ranged with the Hive ...   Mar 22 2011, 11:18 AM
- - Stahlseele   *shrugs* i went all out on enhancing the troops ar...   Mar 22 2011, 01:26 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 22 2011, 09:26 AM...   Mar 22 2011, 01:33 PM
- - Stahlseele   *nods* i like the orky ending and the chaos ending...   Mar 22 2011, 01:46 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 22 2011, 09:46 AM...   Mar 22 2011, 01:59 PM
- - Stahlseele   Yep, mostly ^^   Mar 23 2011, 08:19 AM


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