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Omenowl
post Jan 24 2011, 12:38 AM
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I have been reviewing character generation and have a couple of questions that I thought I knew:

The first is when you get an adept or magician and you get cyberware is the magic/resonance rating calculated before or after the inclusion of cyberware.

The question arises from this statement in the rules

Note that any attribute boosts gained from implants do not affect
other aspects of character creation—a boost to Logic, for example,
does not increase the Knowledge skills you start with.
Any reductions to a character’s Essence will also affect his Magic
or Resonance (see p. 177).


Does this mean the essense loss is a maximum attribute with the associated +25 for the highest attribute, or does it mean the player buys the magic/resonance attribute up and then as he adds essense it drops during character creation? I have been using the latter interpretation, but now I am not sure if I am applying it correctly.


The next question which comes into effect is the use of cyberware and essence loss. Are the multiplier reductions added or multiplied

For example:
Our runner has
A suite for 10% reduction
Alpha ware for 20% reduction
Biocompatibility 10% reduction
Adapsin is 10% reduction

Now if we multiply everything out we get 0.5832 and if we add the reductions we get 0.5 essence cost. For deltaware it is a bit more extreme with 0.3645 multiplied and 0.2 for added.

It gets even stranger when you include alphaware with secondhand because if you add then it has a cost of 1, but if you multiply then you get 0.96 essence loss.
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- Omenowl   Character Generation and cyberware   Jan 24 2011, 12:38 AM
- - Mäx   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Jan 24 2011, 02:38 AM) D...   Jan 24 2011, 12:51 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 23 2011, 06:51 PM) You f...   Jan 24 2011, 01:45 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 24 2011, 01:51 AM) By RA...   Jan 25 2011, 12:00 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jan 25 2011, 02:00 PM) An...   Jan 25 2011, 12:19 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 25 2011, 01:19 PM) Well ...   Jan 25 2011, 06:24 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Of course, none of the existing suites are worth g...   Jan 24 2011, 01:46 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 23 2011, 07:46 PM...   Jan 24 2011, 01:55 AM
|- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Jan 24 2011, 02:55 AM) T...   Jan 26 2011, 06:19 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It really doesn't, though. Suites are describe...   Jan 24 2011, 02:14 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 23 2011, 08:14 PM...   Jan 24 2011, 02:54 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 24 2011, 05:14 AM...   Jan 24 2011, 03:02 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Certainly, the rules say you can invent some. I...   Jan 24 2011, 03:05 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 23 2011, 09:05 PM...   Jan 24 2011, 03:27 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Jan 23 2011, 08:27 PM) L...   Jan 24 2011, 06:27 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I didn't say that. I said that it's an od...   Jan 24 2011, 03:35 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 23 2011, 09:35 PM...   Jan 24 2011, 04:25 AM
- - Ascalaphus   Well, there's probably a Fire Victim suite. Th...   Jan 24 2011, 03:36 AM
- - Yerameyahu   What skin? It's a 6-limb set. On a semi-seri...   Jan 24 2011, 03:37 AM
- - Whipstitch   Yeah, I would think with a combination of cloned p...   Jan 24 2011, 03:40 AM
- - Critias   If your GM's cool with it as a cyber suite, th...   Jan 24 2011, 03:57 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, again: yes and no. It *doesn't* make sen...   Jan 24 2011, 04:32 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 23 2011, 10:32 PM...   Jan 24 2011, 04:56 AM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Omenowl @ Jan 24 2011, 12:56 AM) I...   Jan 24 2011, 05:22 AM
- - Yerameyahu   In order, my answers are: no, it's required, n...   Jan 24 2011, 05:10 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 23 2011, 11:10 PM...   Jan 24 2011, 06:06 AM
- - Critias   Just out of curiosity, how often, exactly, do you ...   Jan 24 2011, 05:17 AM
- - Yerameyahu   In the biz, that's an 'untapped niche mark...   Jan 24 2011, 05:19 AM
- - Mardrax   Why do people keep bringing up > 3 limb enhance...   Jan 24 2011, 07:02 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Mardrax @ Jan 24 2011, 12:02 AM) W...   Jan 24 2011, 07:54 AM
|- - Mardrax   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jan 24 2011, 09:54 AM) Be...   Jan 24 2011, 09:35 AM
- - Saint Sithney   So you're Universal Omnitech. You make CYBER ...   Jan 24 2011, 07:59 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jan 24 2011, 10:59...   Jan 24 2011, 02:58 PM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (Fatum @ Jan 24 2011, 06:58 AM) Des...   Jan 26 2011, 06:52 AM
- - Whipstitch   Things work fine whether or not they're part o...   Jan 24 2011, 08:26 AM
- - Mardrax   Speaking from medical experience, severe skull tra...   Jan 24 2011, 09:22 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Indeed. Let's recap: suites require a real mar...   Jan 24 2011, 03:18 PM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 24 2011, 09:18 AM...   Jan 25 2011, 12:10 AM
- - Whipstitch   It's your game, so you don't have to sell ...   Jan 25 2011, 12:40 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Jan 24 2011, 06:40 PM...   Jan 25 2011, 02:13 AM
- - Mardrax   Point A: I don't see much use for metahuman co...   Jan 25 2011, 01:57 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Mardrax @ Jan 24 2011, 07:57 PM) P...   Jan 25 2011, 03:26 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm not sure why you keep ignoring the idea th...   Jan 25 2011, 02:53 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 24 2011, 08:53 PM...   Jan 25 2011, 03:56 AM
- - Whipstitch   I don't think modular cyberlimbs are even all ...   Jan 25 2011, 03:20 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Again back at ya, it's unreasonable to assume ...   Jan 25 2011, 03:33 AM
- - Whipstitch   Agreed, you can't just assume 1,000 customers ...   Jan 25 2011, 03:42 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I do see what you're saying, but it still ring...   Jan 25 2011, 04:19 AM
|- - Omenowl   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 24 2011, 10:19 PM...   Jan 25 2011, 04:32 AM
- - Yerameyahu   That's my point, though: the fluff of how suit...   Jan 25 2011, 04:37 AM
- - Mardrax   OYou're arguing 25% profit margin? For the pro...   Jan 25 2011, 10:38 AM
- - Fatum   How many models does Apple produce? Now, how many ...   Jan 26 2011, 12:48 PM
- - simplexio   i dont like full replacement cyberware suite. But ...   Jan 26 2011, 04:40 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I know you're kidding, but the cyborg rules sa...   Jan 26 2011, 07:26 PM
|- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 26 2011, 08:26 PM...   Jan 26 2011, 08:41 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 26 2011, 12:26 PM...   Jan 28 2011, 10:09 PM
- - Fatum   Following in this post is a list of megacorps cari...   Jan 28 2011, 10:47 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fatum @ Jan 28 2011, 03:47 PM) Fol...   Jan 28 2011, 11:05 PM
- - Seth   QUOTE Following in this post is a list of megacorp...   Jan 29 2011, 05:22 PM


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