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post Feb 6 2011, 10:19 PM
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According to the text of the Metagenetic Quality (RC, p.114) :

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Monkey Paws
The character possesses monkey- or chameleon-like gripping feet with elongated, prehensile toes that enable her to climb more easily when barefoot. Add a +2 dice pool modifier to non-tumbling Gymnastics and Climbing tests and also to any movement Tests made in micro-gravity.
The character must have shoes that accommodate this unusual physique.

(emphasis mine)

... and assuming one has shoes that accommodate this unusual physique, does Monkey Paws give a +2 bonus to Gymnastics dodge tests ?

SR4A (p.160) says the following about gym. dodge :

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Gymnastics Dodge: Characters skilled in Gymnastics can spend their action flipping, rolling, cartwheeling, etc. out of danger, and may add Gymnastics skill to their dice pool against either ranged or melee attacks.


Even if Monkey Paws's fluff text mentions 'climbing' (which is a seperate skill), having monkey feet/hands could help one flip around by using his hands for various dodging attempts. But even if it doesn't specify 'tumbling', this sounds a bit like tumbling, eh ?

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Gymnastics (Agility)
Gymnastics involves acrobatics feats and balance as well as jumping, vaulting, and tumbling. [...]
Specializations: Balance, Breakfall, Dance, Jumping, Parkour, Tumbling

(emphasis mine)

There is no explicit mention of a specialization for Gymnastics Dodge, so does this fall into the tumbling category ?

What do you guys think ? Can one take Monkey Paws to increase his Gymnastics Dodge ?
For the same reason, does it also apply to jumping, dance, balance, breakfall, parkour ?


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Side commentary : Coming from D&D 3.0/3.5, which had more than 80 core/supplement books, a hundred magazines, etc. I'm finding Shadowrun's RAW to be quite ambiguous in comparison (despite the greater number or loopholes optimizers managed to find out in D&D 3.5). The Balance Augmenter earware has caused me the same interrogations : "all tests involving balance, such as climbing, walking across a narrow platform, landing after a jump, and so on" (emphasis mine). What's this "and so on" !?
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- Quake   Monkey paws and Gymnastics dodge   Feb 6 2011, 10:19 PM
- - Glyph   I would say no. In fact, I really think the bonus...   Feb 6 2011, 10:27 PM
- - Fatum   QUOTE (Quake @ Feb 7 2011, 01:19 AM) What...   Feb 6 2011, 11:35 PM
- - InfinityzeN   You have got to be kidding me... where is my whole...   Feb 6 2011, 11:52 PM
|- - Quake   QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 7 2011, 12:52 AM...   Feb 7 2011, 12:28 AM
- - Udoshi   Common sense, No. Rules- FU: Yes. Why? Synthcard...   Feb 7 2011, 01:38 AM
|- - Quake   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Feb 7 2011, 02:38 AM) Com...   Feb 7 2011, 02:07 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Quake @ Feb 6 2011, 07:07 PM) Wher...   Feb 7 2011, 12:17 PM
- - toturi   I think there is sufficient ambigiuity for your GM...   Feb 7 2011, 02:29 AM
- - Whipstitch   I allow it, although I understand why people disli...   Feb 7 2011, 05:08 AM
- - Summerstorm   Just looking at the description of monkey paw: No....   Feb 7 2011, 07:48 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Feb 7 2011, 03:48 PM...   Feb 7 2011, 09:48 AM
|- - Machiavelli   QUOTE (toturi @ Feb 7 2011, 10:48 AM) If ...   Feb 7 2011, 11:23 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Feb 7 2011, 07:23 PM...   Feb 8 2011, 02:30 AM
- - Cain   There's also no rule saying the specialization...   Feb 7 2011, 10:03 AM
- - InfinityzeN   Gymdodge however can only be used on an active def...   Feb 7 2011, 12:50 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 7 2011, 05:50 AM...   Feb 8 2011, 12:19 AM
|- - InfinityzeN   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Feb 7 2011, 07:19 PM) Whi...   Feb 8 2011, 12:50 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 8 2011, 05:50 AM...   Feb 8 2011, 11:43 PM
- - Glyph   Given the flavor text of "flipping, rolling, ...   Feb 8 2011, 02:53 AM
- - Whipstitch   I don't think it's clearly stated that way...   Feb 8 2011, 09:24 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Sounds fine. Then there's none of the Athletic...   Feb 8 2011, 09:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I still don't see the problem. Full Defense is...   Feb 8 2011, 11:55 PM
- - Whipstitch   I'm kinda fuzzy on what leaving out Athletics ...   Feb 9 2011, 12:11 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm just talking about the standard Synthcardi...   Feb 9 2011, 12:17 AM
- - Whipstitch   This is the kinda thing I'm talking about. I...   Feb 9 2011, 12:48 AM
- - InfinityzeN   Reflexes + Gymnastics is not a Gymnastics test... ...   Feb 9 2011, 01:21 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 8 2011, 06:21 PM...   Feb 10 2011, 07:26 PM
- - Udoshi   You're not getting it - Gymdodge and regular d...   Feb 9 2011, 02:22 AM
- - InfinityzeN   And you don't get it. There are no additional...   Feb 9 2011, 02:25 AM
- - Mardrax   Specialising gives you bonus dice to anything you ...   Feb 10 2011, 12:42 AM
- - Quake   The rule for specialization doesn't mention ...   Feb 10 2011, 12:47 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Who said there's no Dodge specialization? (Rea...   Feb 10 2011, 04:35 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It might also not be. It's only abused, after...   Feb 10 2011, 07:37 PM
- - ProfGast   My two cents: I'd allow for "Athletic Tes...   Feb 10 2011, 07:48 PM
- - Glyph   I agree on both counts. The synthcardium is somet...   Feb 10 2011, 10:08 PM


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